# Sigh............Joe Biden **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378 "2009-01-22T00:32:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/81 "2009-01-22T17:56:58Z")
> [@lee](#): > > And I have to say this about Biden, I think Biden has a very keen mind. I think he really is very sharp and his high reputation on foreign policy is well earned. From my review of his habits, and his finances, he seems to be as honest a politician as we have seen. His persona of affable, gaffing, Joe allows him to say things that others cannot. It also is very disarming. He comes off as a buffoon at times and recently as an old fool, I am sure it allows him to see and hear things he would not otherwise be privilege to. He puts me in mind of the fictional Daniel Waterhouse posing as a fool who really is quite the spy, or the Lord John Marbury an eccentric, flamboyant diplomat whose keen mind and careful guidance avert a nuclear war. > > That said, if Obama is to raise the tone in Washington, Biden will need to stop some of the foolishness. I agree with this for the most part. The thing I don’t get about Biden though, is how, especially with his foreign policy credentials, he came up with arguably the worst idea for Iraq in the primaries- his partition plan. Was it that he was just trying to gain traction by having such an entirely different sort of plan than the rest of the field, but no actual intentions of following it through? Or, did he really think that was the best plan and shouldn’t that have at least raised some questions? As far as the “incident” in the OP, I have the feeling we’ll be seeing more of this same sort of routine from this duo in the future; not that there was really much to see in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![sugar\_and\_spice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@sugar\_and\_spice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugar_and_spice)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/82 "2009-01-22T19:09:59Z")
> [@lee](#): > > He regretted it. He called her to apologize that day. Despite the witnessing, he isn’t perfect, but he also is willing to acknowledge when his actions don’t meet with his own expectations. He also apologized for taking some easy openings against Keyes during the senate race. He had no choice but to apologize, it was a cheap and random and directed at the elderly widow of a former president. If Biden had made it he would have been on the phone just as quick. I mean yeah it was just a joke and it’s no reflection on his character, but I think you have to wait a bit longer before saying that Obama is never one for a cheap shot on camera. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/83 "2009-01-22T20:21:13Z")
> [@sugar\_and\_spice](#): > > He had no choice but to apologize, it was a cheap and random and directed at the elderly widow of a former president. If Biden had made it he would have been on the phone just as quick. I mean yeah it was just a joke and it’s no reflection on his character, but I think you have to wait a bit longer before saying that Obama is never one for a cheap shot on camera. Can someone remind those of us in the peanut gallery what the Nancy joke was? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/84 "2009-01-22T20:31:14Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Can someone remind those of us in the peanut gallery what the Nancy joke was? > > -Joe I only vaguely remember this, but I think he made some kind of joke about her using astrologers or psychics or something. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/85 "2009-01-22T20:42:11Z")
Yeah. God forbid that anybody makes light of astrology or psychics. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/86 "2009-01-22T20:45:17Z")
Biden made a little joke, Obama APPEARED to hush it up. Nothing to see here folks. We KNOW that Biden is going to give us 4 years of foot-in-mouth as the VP, since we know his record. It will give the comedians something to focus on while they try to figure out how and when they can make fun of Obama (see Chris Rocks comments on that subject [http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/01/19/chris.rock.kill.the.messenger/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/01/19/chris.rock.kill.the.messenger/index.html) ). I will reserve my pitting for when Obama actually does something that is not in the theme of Change or something. Right now, he is doing well. -Algher, who is White and keeping it Right ---
**Author:** ![sugar\_and\_spice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@sugar\_and\_spice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugar_and_spice)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/87 "2009-01-22T20:56:26Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Can someone remind those of us in the peanut gallery what the Nancy joke was? > > -Joe sure, here’s a link, around 5:45 ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LWsL81deWoU/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/LWsL81deWoU?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/88 "2009-01-22T20:57:29Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Am I the only one who didn’t think it was a very big deal at all (both Biden’s comment or Obama’s look)? I agree with you. The comment didn’t seem that offensive to me, and the Chief Justice ought to be able to take a little joshing from his peers in the other branch. But Obama seemed a little annoyed, and I understand that too, since he is probably thinking that he needs to emphasize that he is not Roberts’s enemy despite having voted against his appointment. I think there are two things going on here: Obama and Biden are probably not the most compatible of personalities, plus Obama has the greater burden of anxiety that comes from being the top dog as opposed to the second banana. I’d say this moment was not a big deal at all, but it might be an early sign of a very entertaining Abbot and Costello dynamic between Obama and Biden. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/89 "2009-01-22T21:37:47Z")
> [@Ponder\_Stibbons](#): > > I wonder what the chances are that Obama will run with a different veep candidate in 2012 … I’ll guess very high. I’m thinking that Obama is already thinking that there are better people than Bident to be next in line and that Biden doesn’t really bring that much to the table. It’s also too good of a position to run for President from (despite the poor track record of success from the position) to waste on him. It will go to someone who Obama wants to tap as heir-apparent … maybe Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/90 "2009-01-23T01:18:29Z")
George HW Bush kept Quayle on as his veep candidate, and Danny wasn’t exactly perceived as rocket surgeon. In this day and age, I don’t think a candidate would want to deal with defending a change like that, unless there was some sort of scandal hitting the fan. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/91 "2009-01-23T02:09:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’ll guess 0%. > > Unless Biden snuffs it, or beats up a girl scout or something. $50 says it’s not Biden in 2012. My guess is health; I think the guy’s squash is going–but it could end up being foot in mouth disease. We need some sort of Future Predictions Message Board that gets hauled out when the Predictions expire so we can mock one another. And a way to bet, too. Paypal or something? Plus I think Mr Obama is going to have a great 8 years, so the smart Democratic thinking (that’s not an oxymoron, is it?) should be to get a 2012 running mate that can be groomed to be the 2016 Presidential candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/92 "2009-01-23T02:14:06Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden declined to be renominated as Veep in 2012 (my guess for the stated reason: wants to spend time with his grandchildren), but this is a tad early for that sort of speculation. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/93 "2009-01-23T02:20:55Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > My guess is health…Plus I think Mr Obama is going to have a great 8 years, so the smart Democratic thinking…should be to get a 2012 running mate that can be groomed to be the 2016 Presidential candidate. Given that the folks who don’t like Obama blow up Federal Buildings in Oklahoma and stuff, the question may be who _Clinton_ will choose as a running mate in 2012 and/or 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/94 "2009-01-23T02:23:27Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Hey, I’ve endured eight years of your countless pit threads, including 3 of some obscure no count plumber in the last couple of months , so quit yer bitchin. Underlining mine- it’s “no account.” Not that I think Joe has mad math skillz or anything… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/95 "2009-01-23T02:51:43Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Given that the folks who don’t like Obama blow up Federal Buildings in Oklahoma and stuff, the question may be who _Clinton_ will choose as a running mate in 2012 and/or 2016. Yeah, but the folks who _like_ Obama only blow up the Pentagon and stuff.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/96 "2009-01-23T03:00:20Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Yeah, but the folks who like Obama only blow up the Pentagon and stuff. Gee, are the right-wingers still trying to peddle the myth that al-Qaeda hearts B. _ **HUSSEIN** _ Obama? Tough luck, dude: in reality, as it turns out, the America-haters over at al-Q [hate Obama too](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3483479/Al-Qaeda-leader-racially-abuses-Barack-Obama.html): > [@](#): > > Al-Qaeda’s second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has used a racial slur to demean President-elect Barack Obama implying he does the bidding of whites. > > Zawahiri said in an audio message posted on militant websites that Mr Obama was “the direct opposite of honourable black Americans” such as Malcolm X. > “It is true about you and people like you … what Malcolm X said about the house negros,” he said, naming Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state, and, Condoleezza Rice, the incumbent. […] > > He scolded Mr Obama for “choosing to be an enemy of Islam and Muslims”, saying that the Muslim “nation had bitterly received” the President-elect’s pledge of support to Israel. > > “You have chosen to stand in the ranks of the enemies of Muslims and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim that your mother is Christian,” Zawahiri said. Hated by al-Qaeda **and** by **Stephe96**! Obama’s definitely doing something right. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/97 "2009-01-23T03:20:06Z")
I seem to have opened a particularly massive container of annelids. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/98 "2009-01-23T03:28:09Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Gee, are the right-wingers still trying to peddle the myth that al-Qaeda hearts B. _ **HUSSEIN** _ Obama? > t. I was thinking more along the lines of Bill Ayers. But nice try!😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/99 "2009-01-23T03:37:35Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I was thinking more along the lines of Bill Ayers. But nice try!😉 The Bill Ayers myth is even more retarded than the birth certificate or the secret muslim myths. Guess what – nobody bought any of them. You lost in a landslide. Come up with something new. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378/100 "2009-01-23T04:29:38Z")
They just ran the clip on the Daily Show. Jon says if we were wondering what Obama’s STFU face is …that’s it. Very funny. Watch the clip and look at Obama’s face when he puts his hand on Joe’s elbow. THat is it. Psssst Joe,…STFU. MAybe he and Obama have and agreement. “When I touch you… that means STFU.” “Yes Mr President” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-joe-biden/482378.md?page=6)