# \[sigh\].....US Chopper fires on wedding party. 40+ dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997 "2004-05-19T17:50:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/281 "2004-05-23T04:19:51Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Oh yes, you’re right, Chritians are running around drowning babies in their baths. Not. Do you have anything else? [Cite, bitch](http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/01/yates.trial/). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/282 "2004-05-23T04:34:40Z")
Uh **Diogenes** , I think you are wrong now! Remember: **milroyj** said **Chritians** not Christians, the first link in Google I found, when looking for that curious sect, gave me: [http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/c/chritians.asp](http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/c/chritians.asp) It is indeed very unlikely that are running around drowning babies , they are just cartoonists. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/283 "2004-05-23T04:52:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Uh **Diogenes** , I think you are wrong now! Remember: **milroyj** said **Chritians** not Christians, the first link in Google I found, when looking for that curious sect, gave me: > [Chritians Cartoons and Comics - funny pictures from CartoonStock](http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/c/chritians.asp) > > It is indeed very unlikely that are running around drowning babies , they are just cartoonists. 😉 I stand corrected. Score one for **milroyj**. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JamesCarroll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@JamesCarroll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JamesCarroll)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/284 "2004-05-23T05:17:20Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > [Cite, bitch](http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/01/yates.trial/). 🙂 Yates (your cite) did NOT kill her children because Jesus told her to do so and she did not do so in exhaltation of Him. The sick fuckers that decapitated a guy whose only crime was trying to get Iraqis decent phone sevice all chanted (if you take the video at face value) “Allah akbar”, that is “God is Great”. They commited their act of babarism because they felt that God would look favorably upon them. As do all Islamist terorists. This is the same delusion that abortion-clinic-blower-uppers are beholden to, but is not the same one that Yates was under. Bitch ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/285 "2004-05-23T06:35:06Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > The cite is right above my last post, dickhead and it was an unprovoked attack on unarmed people either way. According to testimony from the survivors, US soldiers made special trips on foot to shoot women holding their children in their arms. Well then fucktard, it seems that reason is not a word in your vocabulary. Unprovoked huh? I’m sure your cite “verifies” that huh? The survivors testimony is obviously objective right? Death squads of US troops going in to specifically murder women and children?!?! You’ve obviously lost your fucking mind. Come down, off your fucking cross, we need the fucking space, to nail the next fool martyr. Your aversion to factual arguments speaks volumes of your inability to comprehend reality. Maybe you can play in the sandbox with the other dipshits. I kind of doubt it though, your report card clearly states “does not play well with others”. I’d _love_ to hear about any other conspiracy theories you have. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/286 "2004-05-23T12:58:30Z")
By **dnooman** : “I’d love to hear about any other conspiracy theories you have.” No, you do not want to hear about all of them. Or else take it to email. Were **Diogenes** to start listing all of his conspiracy theories here, the SDMB server would be bogged down for weeks! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/287 "2004-05-23T14:28:47Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > While Muslims don’t generally blow up abortion clinics, some of them do BEHEAD innocent people. What is your point? Are you saying there’s no such thing as Christian terrorists? Under what rock are you living? Google it, and you’ll find plenty of sites, from our abortion clinic terrorists to Ugandan Christian terrorists to the NLFT in India. Terrorists are terrorists, regardless of religion. Christians have beheaded plenty of people in their time in the name of God, and I’m sure some still do. Until relatively recently, Christian Americans “expressed their point” by hanging black men from trees. The capacity for cruelty is extra-religious. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/288 "2004-05-23T15:40:02Z")
> [@Chastain86](#): > > You. Are. A. Troll. And you are deliberately breaking the rules of this message boards. Consider this an official warning. Don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/289 "2004-05-23T16:27:06Z")
Thanks for the link, **emarkp**. An interesting read. A few highlights - > [@](#): > > Kimmitt said video showing dead children killed was actually recorded in Ramadi, far from the attack scene. > > Kimmitt said troops did not find anything – such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food – that would indicate a wedding had been held. > > Most of the men there were of military age, and there were no elders present to indicate a family event, he said. > > At Saturday’s briefing for reporters in Baghdad, Kimmitt showed **photos** of what he said were binoculars designed for adjusting artillery fire, battery packs suitable for makeshift bombs, several terrorist training manuals, medical gear, fake ID cards and ID card-making machines, passports and telephone numbers to other countries, including Afghanistan and Sudan. Interesting gear for a wedding. Feel free to close your eyes real tight, stick your fingers in your ears, and keep repeating, “The US is always wrong. The US is always wrong.” Maybe the Blue Fairy will make it all go away. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/290 "2004-05-23T16:27:30Z")
> [@JamesCarroll](#): > > Yates (your cite) did NOT kill her children because Jesus told her to do so and she did not do so in exhaltation of Him. > > The sick fuckers that decapitated a guy whose only crime was trying to get Iraqis decent phone sevice all chanted (if you take the video at face value) “Allah akbar”, that is “God is Great”. They commited their act of babarism because they felt that God would look favorably upon them. As do all Islamist terorists. > > This is the same delusion that abortion-clinic-blower-uppers are beholden to, but is not the same one that Yates was under. > > Bitch It all looks the same to me. One religious whacko is the same as another. I see no point in two religions having a pissing contest over whose whackos are more evil. Did Muslims ever burn anyone at the stake or try to kill all the Jews in death camps? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/291 "2004-05-23T16:30:36Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > By **dnooman** : “I’d love to hear about any other conspiracy theories you have.” > > No, you do not want to hear about all of them. Or else take it to email. Were **Diogenes** to start listing all of his conspiracy theories here, the SDMB server would be bogged down for weeks! Really? Why don’t you name a “conspiracy” that I’ve bought into, besides Bush lying about WMDs, which is demonstrably true. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/292 "2004-05-23T16:38:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Thanks for the link, **emarkp**. An interesting read. > > A few highlights - > > Interesting gear for a wedding. > > Feel free to close your eyes real tight, stick your fingers in your ears, and keep repeating, “The US is always wrong. The US is always wrong.” > > Maybe the Blue Fairy will make it all go away. > > Regards, > Shodan Like I said, the word of the military is dogshit. They still have to explain the videos of dead children as welll as all the unrebutted eyewitness testimony. They showed some pictures of a battery? Who gives a fuck? Binoculars? So the fuck what? “Men of miltary age?” That means they could be anywhere between 15 and 60. Meaningless fucking drivel. When some non-US military witnesses back up the official story then maybe I’ll listen but at this point anything the army says has to be dismissed out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/293 "2004-05-23T16:56:48Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > They still have to explain… all the unrebutted eyewitness testimony. I’m afraid it’s not unrebutted, but in fact, rebutted by themselves! See the link in [post #238 by me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4886680&postcount=238) where supposed eyewitnesses completely contradict statements made later by other supposed eyewitnesses. I, too, have little faith in the spin and coverup our military have been known to resort to. I have just as little faith, however, in contradictory testimony of people who may very well have an agenda for framing this incident in the worst possible light, or just outright making shit up. It is entirely plausible that this compound is exactly what the military says it is and that these guys are just dastardly enough to have pre-planned a scheme wherein if they ever got caught and attacked by the U.S. military, they’d concoct this “wedding party” to make us lose even more credibility, with ready video taken long previous (perhaps even during Saddam’s reign, for all we know!) and carted out later as “evidence” to back up their bobbe myse. ---
**Author:** ![griffen2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ce7236/32.png) [@griffen2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffen2)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/294 "2004-05-23T16:57:32Z")
If any Charter Members would be so good as to perform a search in the Pit for a thread opened about a year ago entitled “The Religion of Peace Strikes Again” started by **Testy** , you will find links to several Christian Terrorist groups. Unfortunately I cannot perform the search myself and the name of these groups escapes me at present so I can’t google the info either. While it may be a pain in the ass, the pleasure of watching that godawful moronic cunt **milroyj** eat a long overdue portion of crow would surely make it worthwhile. The thread in question is several pages long but the relevant post in question is, if memory serves me correctly, on page 2 by **Tamerlane**. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/295 "2004-05-23T17:10:40Z")
> [@griffen2](#): > > If any Charter Members would be so good as to perform a search in the Pit for a thread opened about a year ago entitled “The Religion of Peace Strikes Again” started by **Testy** , you will find links to several Christian Terrorist groups. Unfortunately I cannot perform the search myself and the name of these groups escapes me at present so I can’t google the info either. > > While it may be a pain in the ass, the pleasure of watching that godawful moronic cunt **milroyj** eat a long overdue portion of crow would surely make it worthwhile. > > The thread in question is several pages long but the relevant post in question is, if memory serves me correctly, on page 2 by **Tamerlane**. I believe that [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=2624411&postcount=58) is the post you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![griffen2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ce7236/32.png) [@griffen2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffen2)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/296 "2004-05-23T17:13:50Z")
Actually, it wasn’t. The thread was _definately_ called “The Religion of Peace Strikes Again” or some _very_ close variant. And I’m _certain_ it was started by **Testy** , not **Hail\_Ants**. The post you linked too is good too, however 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/297 "2004-05-23T17:15:11Z")
> [@griffen2](#): > > While it may be a pain in the ass, the pleasure of watching that godawful moronic cunt **milroyj** eat a long overdue portion of crow would surely make it worthwhile. Why would you ask paying members to do something that would be a pain in the ass, but worthwhile _to you_, but is apparently not worthwhile enough to you for you to pay for a membership which would entitle you to that priviledge? If I’m missing something here, I’ll gladly eat my own helping of crow, but this sure seems like a rather rude request to me. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![griffen2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ce7236/32.png) [@griffen2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffen2)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/298 "2004-05-23T17:21:23Z")
I haven’t got a credit card. Someone else would have to pay for me to join. that is a far ruder request, IMO. I made a formal request to the powers that be for guests to be allowed access to the search function in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4888853#post4888853) thread. I can’t really do much more than that. ---
**Author:** ![griffen2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ce7236/32.png) [@griffen2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffen2)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/299 "2004-05-23T17:23:44Z")
Oh, and my RL friends, all of whom are, like me, too young to own one can’t help me out either. My parents already think I spend far too much time on the net and wouldn’t help out if I begged them 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2004, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997/300 "2004-05-23T17:35:24Z")
> [@griffen2](#): > > I haven’t got a credit card. Someone else would have to pay for me to join. that is a far ruder request, IMO. I made a formal request to the powers that be for guests to be allowed access to the search function in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=4888853#post4888853) thread. I can’t really do much more than that. I don’t wish to hijack this thread further, but someone else paying isn’t your only other option. You could send someone who has a credit card the cash to reimburse them, so you’d be paying, but someone else would handle the logistics of registering. If you want to make that arrangement, I’d be more than happy to make that business transaction for you so that you don’t have to give up posting here for the lack of a credit card. Email me at Shayna61 at yahoo dot com. And if that doesn’t sit well with you, Ed Zotti has offered to handle such transactions for people [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4667233&postcount=464), so you can send a money order to the Chicago Reader and register that way, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sigh-us-chopper-fires-on-wedding-party-40-dead/245997.md?page=16)