Maybe we’ll determine whether that was sarcasm or serious input!
Or too many viewings of Gattaca.
I’m not sure what your post was intended to prove- that I was wrong about Cook County? Whoop-dee-doo. Maybe you missed the part of my post where I indicated all counties’ recording requirements differ.
My post was in response to the OP, which asked why the law firm requested blue ink signatures only. One possible reason, I posited, was that it was a requirement of the recording office.
Kimmy, you might be surprised to learn that you aren’t always entirely correct.
For example, here is the official self-help guide from the Judicial Council of Californiaregarding the filling out of court forms. Notice tip #5: “Sign each form where your signature is requested. Use blue or black ink only.”
A cursory search of the California Code did not turn up a statute on the matter, but the Judicial Council of California site is replete with statements that blue and black ink are required, so it may be buried in the Rules of Court.
At the very least, it appears that one might have to reference more than just the UCC.
For a pubic-hair wig to spell at all would be impressive indeed.
Back when I was in the Navy, only black-ink government-issue pens were used. Everything written in ink was supposed to be black.
In fact, when I was going through NROTC, I once had to get something signed by my platoon commander. He didn’t have a pen, so I offered him a blue pen, which he looked at in disgust and promptly threw in the trash, and told me to go find a black ink pen. :dubious:
When I got out of the Navy, I continued using black pens. This continued until the following incident occurred: I submitted an application to my state Department of Environmental Protection, which required that two original applications be submitted (no copies). I did this, but all of the signatures were in black ink. Six weeks later, I received notice that my application was being held up because I had supposedly not submitted two original applications (which I had, of course). That’s when I realized the advantage of blue ink pens. I exclusively use blue ink pens now. It makes it far easier to recognize original signatures.
For what it’s worth, Stephen Hawking’s usual signature is his thumbprint.
These are The Binder & Binder guys helping me with SSDI, so if they want blue, guess I better give 'em blue, or they’ll just keep shooting those docs back to me.
I just had no idea and always thought “blue or black” was okay, but the differentiation from photo-copied documents make sense.
I am glad I checked with y’all, 'cause they might have called me, and it might have been on one of my “rage” days. (Few and far between, but they do still occur).
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Quasi
My dad was a must sign in BLACK ONLY kind of person. He thought it looked more official that way. It was a real pisser trying to figure out which copy of his will was the real one and which were the photocopies. Now I sign everything in blue so I know which is the original at a glance.
About nine years ago.
President Clinton signed Senate Bill 761, the Electronic Signature in Global and National Commerce (E-Sign) Act on June 30, 2000 with a smart card.
Not sure who authenticated that first smart card, though.
My hazy memory of Asian History suggests that Chinese courts of law used thumbprints before the Roman Empire to identify document, especially courtroom documents & written testamony.
I once received a check written and signed in gold ink. The bank refused to honor it.
In the suburban counties around New York City, this is the case. Some of them require documents to be recorded in the county land records to be signed in black ink, and others require blue ink. (It doesn’t matter for the counties in the City of New York.) Some of it has to do with the methods they use to archive the documents, although I would suspect there is a large dose of the perversity of county clerks thrown in.
In any event, the title company closers usually are good about making sure us clueless lawyers follow the requirements.
I once endorsed a check in silver ink. The bank required me to endorse it again, and so I used their black ink pen.
Currently, in my purse, is a pen with a very thick barrel. It has to be thick, as it has 10 (count them, 10!) different colored ink barrels. Yes, I do use them all.
My husband is a gummint employee, and has to sign lots of documents, and then make copies of them. He uses blue ink on the originals, for the same reason everyone else does.
WOW!
Lynn Bodoni
In one of mythreads! How awesome is that???
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Q
I got one of those for my birthday when I was what’s now called a tween. It looked like a rocket ship–I loved it.
I had one, too. I miss that pen.
Maybe not. If you put a doc with black ink and a blue sig in our copier, it will reproduce it in color unless you force it to be black only. And the copy is a faithful repro of the mixed color original.
Traditionally, blue, but light blue, was used for markup in print shops, as the cameras didn’t pick it up. Early copiers were blind to it, too, but modern ones can reproduce it just fine.
A nearby drugstore had a sale yesterday, a 10-pack of blue pens for .19. I was suspicious that their advertised price omitted an "ea", so I went in to buy a pack. I bought 10 pens for .19 plus a penny tax, so they weren’t lying.
However, when I brought them in to our real estate office, our office manager held up a cross when she saw the blue pens and told me to get them out of there. She worries that signing docs with blue will cause the copier to go into much more costly color mode and run up a big bill.
Just for kicks, I wrote on a scrap of paper with both a black ballpoint and the blue. Both lines reproduced perfectly on the copier when in black-only mode.
I’m surprised you don’t have a dedicated B&W copier and/or keep your color copier in B&W mode by default.