# Silent Night Holy Night 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 16, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066 "2004-12-16T01:06:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/41 "2004-12-16T16:53:47Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Quit making me snort coffee through my nose and onto my keyboard. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/42 "2004-12-16T17:18:54Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > So, what’s your take then on Simon and Garfunkels’ [_ **7 o’Clock News/Silent Night** _](http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/7-o'clock-News-Silent-Night-lyrics-Simon-and-Garfunkel/113341CC7162CD5F48256896000EE44A)? > > Peace. I opened this thread just to relate that song as something similar that is actually good, glad to see I am not the only one who remembers it. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/43 "2004-12-16T17:21:58Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > “Except for the pope maybe in rome” is one of the stupidist and most forced final rhymes in the history of recorded music. I always thought the most forced rhyme ever was “You and me babe, hey hey”. But then again, I can’t stand Def Leppard. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/44 "2004-12-16T17:28:34Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > The first time I heard this song was when I was shopping in a CVS. I dropped my colostomy bag and said “Holy shit, you’ve got to be shitting me with that shit. That shit sucks shit.” > > Did I say colostomy bag? That was a typo. I meant giant economy size pack of jumbo condoms. :cleaning up coffee off her keyboard: ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/45 "2004-12-16T17:34:46Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Lousy, lousy song. I have no doubt that some of the dead turned to prayer and it may have consoled them a bit, but I bet each and every one of those nineteen bastards died yelling the name of the same God. Best not to go there at all. Actually on one of those videos Osama made a reference to the fact that not all of the hijackers knew it was a suicide mission. Itis thought that only the four pilots knew what was going to happen. The other terrorists in the crew controlling the passengers were probably just as suprised as everybody else. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/46 "2004-12-16T17:54:13Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Actually on one of those videos Osama made a reference to the fact that not all of the hijackers knew it was a suicide mission. Itis thought that only the four pilots knew what was going to happen. The other terrorists in the crew controlling the passengers were probably just as suprised as everybody else. Tell me you’re not trying to justify something here. I don’t know quite _what_ you would be getting at, but I do know I don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/47 "2004-12-16T18:02:36Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > So, what’s your take then on Simon and Garfunkels’ [_ **7 o’Clock News/Silent Night** _](http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/7-o'clock-News-Silent-Night-lyrics-Simon-and-Garfunkel/113341CC7162CD5F48256896000EE44A)? > > Peace. I was going to suggest the OP listen to the pitted song and this back to back. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/48 "2004-12-16T18:21:04Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > If there is a hell, I hope there’s a cozy section reserved for people who create manipulative abominations such as that. Exactly. I hear that song, and I say, “Oh you want me to _cry_, do you? Well, fuck you!” ---
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/49 "2004-12-17T02:02:16Z")
I haven’t heard this version yet, but I had similar feelings about the bastardized version of Don Henley’s “In A New York Minute” that came out shortly after everything happened. I’ve only heard it a handful of times, but it pisses me off every time I do. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/50 "2004-12-17T02:06:35Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > “Except for the pope maybe in rome” is one of the stupidist and most forced final rhymes in the history of recorded music. And that lyric you have a problem with why? It’s a perfectly nice song I think. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/51 "2004-12-17T02:13:03Z")
> [@](#): > > “I was in the cockpit of a passenger jet with a man who > thought he did my will by killing himself to kill so many others. > I held his shoulders and wept as he flew. I forgave him for > misunderstanding, for his anger, his stubbornness; I forgave > him for his wrongful certainty of his rightness as he wrought > this destruction, and since I did, so should you.” Hey, god? Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/52 "2004-12-17T02:16:22Z")
I’ve never understood the hostility to that song, especially because the central tenet of Christianity is that God did become one of us, just a slob like one of us. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/53 "2004-12-17T02:27:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And that lyric you have a problem with why? It’s a perfectly nice song I think. Because it sounds too much like a guy throwing out a line that rhymes as a joke, and instead of shaking his head and laughing, left in the song. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/54 "2004-12-17T02:28:52Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I’ve never understood the hostility to that song, especially because the central tenet of Christianity is that God did become one of us, just a slob like one of us. Since I don’t agree with the central tenets of Christianity, I’m not going to like a song simply because it rehashes Christian theology. Nice melody. Nice voice. But the lyrics ruin it for me. Not because they are about God, mind you, but because they are not that good. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/55 "2004-12-17T02:29:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Hmm, so I can’t consider that God may be behind the stories of mothers lifting cars off their trapped kids? Nor can I appreciate the hand of God in the hearts and minds of the people who do SAR in horrible weather at the risk of their own lives? I’m not trying to take away from anything those individuals do, but if they use prayer and their relationship with God to do those things, and if they feel they can or could do those things with God’s assistance, why not share the credit? Sure, you can consider all that. It’s just awfully hard to justify in light of the whole Free Will thing. What you’re saying is that God respects our free will, so he has to allow bad things to happen, except that sometimes he does intervene to keep bad things from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/56 "2004-12-17T02:48:49Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Because it sounds too much like a guy throwing out a line that rhymes as a joke, and instead of shaking his head and laughing, left in the song. What makes it sound weird is the inverted syntax, which is what I was trying to parody. Ah well. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/57 "2004-12-17T03:08:44Z")
Well you see, if America wasn’t full of liberals and gays and feminists, He wouldn’t have just sat there in the plane reading the airline gift catalog and eating His peanuts. But since Mary Cheney and Barbara Streisand and Michael Moore live here, he sat on His holy ass and let it happen. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/58 "2004-12-17T03:09:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What makes it sound weird is the inverted syntax, which is what I was trying to parody. Ah well. Dude, that’s just way too subtle for a guy who’s been up since 5:00 AM and dicked around in Authorware all day. I need a crash of cymbals or a bike horn or something. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/59 "2004-12-17T03:22:08Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Then again, I gotta admit that Butterfly Kisses gets to me, as does the 9/11 mix (by DJ Sammy?) of “Heaven” (light piano, female vocals, & a little girl’s letter to her Dad who perished in 9-11). _Heaven_? As in “Baby you’re all that I want, when you’re lying here in my arms” _Heaven_? And someone turned that into a song about a daughter singing to her father? That is Seriously. Fucked. Up. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066/60 "2004-12-17T03:24:18Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Nice melody. Nice voice. But the lyrics ruin it for me. Not because they are about God, mind you, but because they are not that good. Not to mention ungrammatical. It should be “What if God _were_ one of us?”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/silent-night-holy-night-9-11/280066.md?page=4)