Let’s not get sucked into Brickers and others hijack.
The issue of Silent sam has *nothing whatsoever *to do with voter suppression or voter ID or the very obvious Jim Crow laws in North Carolina. That is just a hijack.
So I know I said I was done responding to DrDeth, but I want to be clear–I’m not responding to him because he’s just blatantly asserting incorrect stuff with zero citation, and I don’t want to get into the game where he says, “Cite? Cite? Cite?” for every ridiculous claim he makes himself. His attempts to police this thread? Pfeh.
*State lawmakers passed Senate Bill 22 in 2015. It stops the removal of monuments, including Confederate monuments, without the approval of the State Historical Commission.
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Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger said Friday he has not been asked to bring the law back before the body.
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The law provides an exception when “a building inspector or similar official” determines it poses a threat to public safety.
Governor Roy Cooper told UNC that is grounds for the university to remove it.
“We’ve had our legal people look at it,” Cooper said. “I’ve looked at it. I believe that exception is there.”"*
So there is a cite that:
The law states that the State Historical comm can order it removed if so petitioned, but no one in authority has done so.
No, it should be clear to you by now that Silent Sam’s existence, and the reasons for removing him, *are *those things. How can you assess the actions without considering the reasons?
“, this particular mob wasn’t especially tolerant, at least in the words of one UNC student who wrote to me about the situation:
I am a freshman at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. … Tonight, students tore down a confederate statue on campus that is known as Silent Sam. “Peaceful protesters” acted just like their name suggests and destroyed this piece of history, chanting “black power” and “go away cops” when police arrived on the scene. I walked by to see what I figured was going to be national news and that was probably not the smartest thing for me to do. Almost immediately, they started coming at me, yelling “get out of here whitey,” which I found ironic as they were holding a sign that said “from Durham to Charlottesville to the White House, tear down racism.” Needless to say I ran back to my dorm pretty darn fast.”
That could be. But Silent Sam could have been removed without violence. However “the people” apparently didn’t bother to try and do so. The Regents had open approval from the Governor to take it down, but they did not choose to do so. They did not petition the Historical comm, either.
So, there were democratic non violent avenues open, but no one cared to attempt them.
If they had done so, and been shot down, then you’d have more of a point.
That article is pretty idiotic. I know that because it states “And that’s part of the problem with removing monuments like this: it tears away our history, both evil and good”
Although the URL says ‘UNC protesters knock over ben shapiro’ which is pretty funny.
Given that the very white son of one of my friends was there in the crowd without getting shouted at, and given the images of the crowd of protestors that tore it down (including plenty of blondes), I call bullshit.
Eager, self important Social Justice Warriors, vandalize statue, shout racial epithets, threaten police, endanger and disrupt rather than seek their aims peacefully and have a good time with their protest party, because it is fun and righteous and involved. That is the point.
They get away with it because it’s a confederate, and anybody that points out that you shouldn’t go around vandalizing stuff and taking the law into your own hands can simply be accused of racism.
Meanwhile, somebody who has been trying to shut down an abortion clinic, sees this and suddenly gets a “great idea.”
The actual white supremacists say “Hey, they took the law into their own hands. Let’s get some payback”
But the statue is down. The ends justify the means, and that’s the only consideration that matters.
They should have legally tried to get the statue down, but they didn’t. They vandalized and pulled down the statue, which is legally wrong. If they catch the people who did it, they should be punished in accordance with the law.
However, I don’t really care that much, because it’s just a statue and nobody was hurt. Meh.
I’m trying to reconcile what you’re saying with this article from February of this year that states:
I mean, this is the first link that came up for me on Google. Do you attempt even the barest minimum amount of research before loudly proclaiming your “facts”?
They called it “violent destruction of public property”. And there was some shoving, racial terms used, spitting, but yeah, I don’t see where anyone was *hurt. *