based on video I saw the police just stood by and did not seem to do anything to prevent it being taken down. I have a feeling they were doing as they were told.
Are we talking about the same school Michael Jordan went to? Replace it with an MJ statue. Piece of cake. Maybe with MJ flipping the bird with one hand, and a giant wad of cash in the other.
also at the NC State capitol there are a couple of similar statues. The governor asked they be moved to a civil war battlefield and the NC historical commission is thinking about that but nobody expects they will agree to the move - that group has veto power over the move. Most of that group is little old ladies who probably worship Tump and the GOP and the governor is a Dem.
A year ago I made quite a few posts about Silent Sam and how I wished for him to be removed. I’m glad this happened.
As for its replacement, who needs one? There’s a perfectly good memorial less than 100 yards away.
I’m sorry, but I don’t agree.
No one should feel free to simply declare that legislative actions with which they disagree are invalid. We have a system to make laws, and a system to assess the validity of those laws. I might as well argue that vandalizing abortion clinics is justified, because no moral law can permit the murder of unborn children.
But i don’t make that argument, because I recognize – unlike the OP – that I live in a society in which my own views of what is right are not the touchstone society is compelled to accept.
In the US a lot of people have gone to jail for protesting things they thought were wrong , such as MLK Jr. People get arrested a lot at protests in the US. As long as nobody is hurt and people are willing to go to jail I don’t have a problem with it.
“Recognize” is a sneaky and disingenuous verb to use there.
Society isn’t compelled to accept anything. I don’t care what society feels compelled to accept. In 1913, “society” was compelled to accept a monument put up by violent white supremacists to glorify and maintain that system of violent white supremacy. It was compelled to accept that, in part, because of a murderous political coup.
Today the law says we should be compelled to accept these monuments, because African Americans have been systematically and with surgical precision excluded from the democratic process.
The legal system by which the will of the people could be recognized is broken.
BTW quite a few other southern states have recently passed laws banning the moving of monuments . Everybody knows which monuments they don’t want moved or taken down. Memphis sold the land under their civil war monuments to a private party and the new owner took down the monuments.
Does the university really want to memorialize a dropout? ![]()
In what sense is the North Carolina legislature un-democratically elected?
He went back and got his degree a few years after going to the NBA early. I think he said he promised that to his parents so he kept his promise. He only needed to do 1 more year of school since he played 3 years at UNC.
That is so Trumpian, to mention the argument and claim it was not done. ![]()
IMHO the perpetrators need to be identified and charged with the damage, even arrested. Of course I do expect that the people supporting this will fund the defense or fines of the perpetrators.
And I would contribute too, but only because I can see that there was no violence towards people here.
Massive gerrymandering and minority vote suppression. It’s been in the news for years.
Obviously this is an incorrect assessment on your part. I did not say I won’t MENTION the argument, but that I won’t OFFER the argument – that is, such an argument is made by some, but I don’t endorse it, for the same reasons I don’t endorse the cahin of reasoning offered by the OP.
That’s all part of a free society.
last year a Civil War statue was pulled down nearby in Durham and around 7 people were arrested but later charges were dropped for all of them.
Yes–and this gerrymandering/suppression is the basis for an NAACP lawsuit against other legislative shenanigans.
I don’t expect this lawsuit to prevail, but it won’t fail on its lack of merit; instead, it’ll fail because facing the reality that we don’t have a functioning democracy in North Carolina is too disruptive for a court system to really consider.
What do you do when the people making the laws are not representative of the voter’s will and those lawmakers then pass laws that stack the deck in their favor?
I see it as a matter of what’s worse – breaking the law is wrong, but erecting (and protecting) white supremacist statues is worse. Sometimes there are only a series of bad choices, including “do nothing”, and one must choose the least bad of the available options.
And this can go for every single issue (including, perhaps, abortion). I seriously doubt that you or anyone else would refrain from at least considering breaking a law if you concluded that it was unjust and harmful enough – we just might have different lines as to what qualifies as “unjust and harmful enough”. Was it wrong for MLK Jr. and his allies to break various laws when protesting? Were (illegal) anti-segregation sit-ins wrong? Many things aren’t so black and white as “breaking the law is wrong” – occasionally, refraining from breaking the law is more wrong.
So what are you proposing? Those who feel “marginalized” can live in anarchy?
14 NC laws have been challenged in court recently and 13 of the lawsuits have succeeded so far. So it’s no surprise that the NC GOP is now trying to change the NC courts who keep throwing out their laws.