So many of the passages that are in the Book about the Egyptian resurrection, it is a translation from the hieroglyphic’ , Centuries even before Abraham’s time. so I believe people used the things or sayings about one god or person to satisfy their own beliefs in a God or God.
I did read the passage,. Thank you. I seems 2 people walked on water, and my memory was wrong about it being Osiris.That doesn’t make walking on water a very special thing. I do believe (and of course being my belief is just that), but it seems the story about Jesus was borrowed from several other gods. I apologize for my poor memory. and thank you for pointing it out to me. I never thought about what your religion is, I am not against religions , they do good by some and some use their religions for harming people or having their own religion be forced on others.
People like Polycarp and Tomndeb and others I know, use their religion for good.
Thank you for your kind words. I do feel better this morning. Even though we are in our 80’s my husband and I have 5 acres to keep up and we still have work to do. The weather is also a factor , so On rainy days I try to keep up with my housework.
After typing in some quotes that were requested( Taking me over an hour),something Knocked me out of Straight Dope and now I have to start all over. I won’t be able to finish now as I have to fix breakfast for my husband! I will try again this afternoon if I can get the chance.
Trinopus writes:
> As one example of astorian’s idea, I’ve heard it said by some that the story of
> Odin, in hanging himself from the World-Tree, might have been inspired by stories
> of Jesus as told to the Germans by Christian priests.
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> “Our God was hung on a cross…”
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> “Hm… Nice motif! We must incorporate that into our tales. Thank you!”
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> It would certainly seem possible…but how could we ever know for sure?
I think I’ve heard the claim that Snorri Sturluson, who wrote the Poetic Edda, made up the entire Odin-on-the-tree episode. He lived in the Christian era of Iceland, and he wanted to show that the Norse tales could be considered as precursors of Christianity and not as simply evil lies. He wanted to give people more reason to read the Norse mythology. However, let me emphasize that I’m not an expert on this subject and only know what I’ve heard in passing.
Really ?
My point is that it doesn’t take a God to walk on water. And wonder if the impossible things really happened why they do not happen today when they could be photographed and proven…Or how much was copied stories from other super humans
I believe people had to give their divinity and divine humans something impossible to do So they would be above other humans. Just like the Star Ship Enterprise beamed people up.
I decided to print off a few quotes at a time,for those who want them,
This is page 75 of Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection.Homage to thee,Osiris, “Lord of eternity, king of the Gods whose names are manifold, whose forms areholy, thou being of hidden form in the Temples whose KA is holy”.
“Thou art the lord to whom praises are ascribed”
“thou art the Lord who is commemorated in Maati, the hidden Sou, t he Lord of Qerrt, The ruler supreme”.
“Thou makest thy soul to be raised up”.
“The Lord of eternity”.
“Thy name is established in the mouths of men”
“The stars in the celestial heights are obedient to thee”.
The imperishable stars are under thy supervision
“The uttermost parts of the earth bow before thee”
There are many more, but I have to go this morning all though they are not direct words about the God of Abraham they are a lot like what was written about him.,
I don’t believe Osiris was Mummified he was a couple of hundreds years before the Pharaohs ruled Egypt.
I don’t recall all of the specifics, but I believe there is some basis for believing that at least some of the Israelites spent some time in Egypt prior to their colonization of Canaan. If so, one would think there would be many more parallels between the stories of the Old Testament and Egyptian mythology, never mind Jesus and Egyptian gods, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
So even if the hypothesis about similarities between Jesus and these gods is plausible on some superficial level, how exactly are we explaining this? As far as I know, Egyptian religion wasn’t really a big thing in Palestine in the first century. In fact AFAIK it was non-existent. So where are these influences coming from? Are we going with some sort of Jungian collective subconscious explanation here? Because I’m still not seeing a connection.
They’re a lot like what’s written in any religious text about the Divinity. If the similarity between Jesus and the deities of the Egyptian religion are that both are regarded by their followers as divine, well, that’s not very remarkable. And it’s certainly a pretty poor case for suggesting that the one developed out of the other.
I agree it doesn’t mean that One religion necessarily grew out of another , but people seem to put a lot of thing similar To other gods. Most seem to need something a plain human couldn’t do.
Well, yes, gods are more that just human. That’s why they’re gods.
But all your quotes establish is that the Egyptians regarded their god-figures as godlike, just as Christiand regard their god-figure as godlike. But since pretty well all cultures regard their god-figures as godlike, this is not very remarkable. It certainly doesn’t come within the bawl of an ass of backing up the claims you made earlier in this thread.
Mathew K J V ;C 15 verse-24
After the disciples said to send her away 'but he answered and said.:I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel " ’
I would add the psalmist called the people he was speaking to, gods, and sons of god. It would see in Biblical times the word God had a
different meaning than we think of today. sounds to me like it meant a people of power,not creator of the earth, but Osiris was given the title of creator
That is how you see it and that is your right!
Except that even in Jewish tradition I believe the Jews were the chosen people NOT to exclude all other but to be an example to them of the fact that Yahweh was the one true god and to thus bring all other to him. Thus you have the Christian tradition of inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness. It was the Christian tradition that Jesus’ mission was to in essence streamline the Jewish faith and make conversion to Judaism (i.e., Christianity) a simple process with a new set of rules. Specifically by doing away with the law of Moses and replacing it something more adaptable.
That isn’t as I understand it. Jesus even says; To the people who were accusing him of Blasphemy, ,“It says in YOUR LAW, i said you are gods”. And I noted he didn’t day God’s Law
Are you deliberately taking this out of context? I don’t want to get into Christian theology but I will if necessary. Are you quoting that passage to say that Jesus thought the Jews were gods of some kind? Because that is most certainly not the point being made there.
I would also point out that John has some very obvious gnostic influences and for that reason almost didn’t make it into the canon, and that is a perfect example of what I mean. Something you might want to consider before relying exclusively on that particular gospel for making your case.
I haven’t paid much attention to recent scholarship on Gnosticism and Gnostic themes etc. (haven’t read the new Van Den Broek book, for one thing) but my understanding was that the scholarly consensus these days is that the Gospel of John is not a Gnostic text. Am I wrong here?
And what’s this about it almost not making it into the canon? This, too, is new to me.