# Simple LOTR:TT question (spoiler) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 21, 2002, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166 "2002-12-21T03:17:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166/21 "2002-12-21T18:34:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wang-Ka \* > \*\*I will be EXTREMELY pissed if that scene isn’t in the third movie. \*\* They seemed to be laying the groundwork for that in this movie. And they’ve been pretty faithful to the book so far, just cutting out a few bits that don’t really matter that much to the story, so I’d be surprised if it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![deathawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@deathawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deathawk)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166/22 "2002-12-22T00:18:34Z")
In regards to the distraction to the Nazgul having his mount shot at: In the books, Legolas _does_ slay the stead of a flying Nazgul with an arrow, so Faramir causing some real control issues may not be as cheezy as it looks on first reflection. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166/23 "2002-12-22T05:12:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Grey \* > **The people become restless and the kings become hungry for wealth and power. Sauron meanwhile has been running rampant over Middle Earth only being held in check by the elves (barely). The Numenorians in their pride decide that Sauron represents a threat to their tributary states along eth western shores of middle earth. So they go after him, and win, sort of. Sauron realizes that his forces won’t win so he surrenders and smooth talks his way into being taken as a captive to Numenor. Once there he corrupts them even further pushing the king to sail into Aman and declaring war on the Valar (gods) to seize life everlasting. The shape of the world is changed. What was once Aman gets pulled out of the seen world and the middle earth is changed into a sphere. Numenor itself is thrown down into the abyss. Sauron himself flees back to Mordor; while Elendil and his company flee to the shores of middle earth.** Essentially correct, except Sauron didn’t flee in the usual sense. He had been left behind when the fleet sailed for Aman and was smashed along with the island so “he could never again assume fair shape.” His spirit fled to Mordor where, after marshalling strength and a couple armies, he _again_ tried to take over Middle Earth which is where we come in at the beginning of the FOTR movie. Some people just never learn. DD ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166/24 "2002-12-22T06:54:43Z")
I paid attention to this scene. As soon as Faramir’s arrow strikes the Nazgûl’s steed, we see Sam and Frodo get into a tussle, Frodo draw his sword, and Sam address him. _Then_ we see the wraith flying away. The point is that there could have been five dozen Men shooting arrows at it the whole time the camera’s on Sam and Frodo. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166/25 "2002-12-22T16:53:47Z")
> [@](#): > > **Triskadecamus** :The chief weapon of the Nazgul is fear. Also surprise. The _two_ chief weapons of the Nazgul are fear, surprise and a ruthless efficency. Errr… The _three_ chief weapons of the Nazgul are fear, surprise, their ruthless efficiency and an unyielding alligence to Sauron… Ohhh! (Sorry. Sorry. I’ll go now… ;)) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-lotr-tt-question-spoiler/144166.md?page=1)