# simple poll: Is ivan astikov full of sh\*t?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [June 9, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553 "2010-06-09T16:49:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Cyningablod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyningablod)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/1 "2010-06-09T16:49:09Z")
I’ve been enjoying the wacky true believerism and train-wreck logic that **ivan astikov** has displayed in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=566192) (in which his beliefs in alien visitations to earth, and consequent government conspiracies, are the peripheral topics at hand).
The question has arisen: Just how many people think (as I do) that **ivan** is full of shit?
It appears that guests can’t post those nifty BB code polls, so here’s an old fashioned set of response options:
A) Yes, **ivan** does for bullshit what Stonehenge did, for rocks.
B) Yes, **ivan** can be full of it _sometimes_, but he knows what he’s talking about, and sometimes makes very good arguments.
C) No, **ivan** is _usually_ very clear-headed and factual.
D) No, **ivan** is one of the most widely read and most skillful debaters on the SDMB.
E) Other. (Please specify.)
Thanks for participating.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/2 "2010-06-09T16:52:48Z")
A is A.
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### Author:  [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/3 "2010-06-09T16:53:47Z")
Caveat: The thread you’ve linked is the only time **ivan’s** been on my radar.
Having said that, A. Appeals to authority and bluster do not an argument make. And ad homs toward everyone who disagrees with you, however politely, is a real quick way to land on my Pay No Mind list.
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### Author:  [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/4 "2010-06-09T16:57:06Z")
I don’t know if he is normally full of it or just when it comes to aliens, but the aliens thing is off the charts.
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### Author:  [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/5 "2010-06-09T16:57:34Z")
The motherfucker’s so full of shit, he sweats the Hershey squirts.
To wit, I emphatically choose option A.
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### Author:  [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/6 "2010-06-09T17:01:51Z")
Your selections are too limited IMO. I think he believes what he says. Not bullshit, just batshit crazy. And stupid.
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/7 "2010-06-09T17:03:12Z")
I think he goes over a lot of peoples’ heads.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/8 "2010-06-09T17:05:31Z")
> [@PlainJain](#):
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> Your selections are too limited IMO. I think he believes what he says. Not bullshit, just batshit crazy. And stupid.
The selection included “other”. How can that be too limited?
Whatever his is, he stands alone in his beliefs.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/9 "2010-06-09T17:05:58Z")
> [@Lanzy](#):
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> I don’t know if he is normally full of it or just when it comes to aliens, but the aliens thing is off the charts.
He seems to just generally be one of those credulous idiots who’ll believe anything you throw at him. He has that sort of “your religion is science!” attitude towards people with a skeptical outlook. So it’s basically just the “your precious scientific worldview won’t let you accept that bigfoot and aliens and psychics are real! I’m the open minded one here!” attitude.
I actually tried to pin down roughly where he falls on the credulous retard scale by asking him to give examples of any sort of woo or conspiracy theory he doesn’t believe, and he refused to name a single type of that thing that he didn’t believe in.
> [@PlainJain](#):
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> Your selections are too limited IMO. I think he believes what he says. Not bullshit, just batshit crazy. And stupid.
I don’t think this is incompatable. I don’t think the OP meant “stuff he knows to be wrong” by bullshit but rather just stupid beliefs.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/10 "2010-06-09T17:10:42Z")
E. He is a troll.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/11 "2010-06-09T17:12:21Z")
> [@Happy\_Poster](#):
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> I think he goes over a lot of peoples’ heads.
Yes. Like elephant dung in a catapult.
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### Author:  [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/12 "2010-06-09T17:17:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> The selection included “other”. How can that be too limited?
I took other to mean other than what had been postulated in the linked thread.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/13 "2010-06-09T17:17:30Z")
In order for any of you to categorically choose option “A”, you first have to read this book called “Choosing Option A” by ivan astikov, then you can come back here and argue your case against why I chose D.
Otherwise don’t bother replying, I’m not going to make your case for you.
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/14 "2010-06-09T17:18:42Z")
A. And not only because of the clever bit about Stonehenge.
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### Author:  [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/15 "2010-06-09T17:21:04Z")
E.
Ivan is full of shit, but that is far from all he is. Words like begrimed cruddy crummy disheveled fecal feculent foul grimy gross, grubby grungy impure loathsome miry mucky muddy nasty obscene offensive putrid repulsive revolting scummy sleazy slimy slipshod sloppy slovenly soiled, soily sooty squalid unclean unkempt unwashed verminous vile yecchy bad carious contaminated curdled decomposing disagreeable disgusting evil-smelling feculent fetid foul frowzy fusty gamy high impure loathsome malodorous mold musty nasty nidorous noisome noxious off offensive olid polluted putrefactive putrefied putrescent putrid rank reeky repulsive sharp smelly sour soured stale stinking strong tainted turned unhealthy bad dank disagreeable disgusting evil-smelling funky fusty graveolent gross loathsome mephitic moldy musty nasty nauseating noisome noxious obnoxious off offensive olid pungent putrescent putrid rancid reeking repulsive revolting smelly strong-smelling tainted turned bad bad-smelling corroded corrupt disgusting fecal festering fetid foul infected tainted touched unsound come to mind.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/16 "2010-06-09T17:27:03Z")
> [@Scumpup](#):
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> Ivan is full of shit, but that is far from all he is. Words like…fecal feculent…foul…fetid…fusty…funky…come to mind.
I cannot begin to understand why you left out festering and flatulent.
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### Author:  [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/17 "2010-06-09T17:27:56Z")
Meh. I think he’s like everyone else in regards to that particular subject. He has some beliefs that he can’t logically defend. Everyone does. But at least he knows what some of them are. Crazy people don’t generally know they’re crazy.
> [@What types of threads do you find most interesting?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-types-of-threads-do-you-find-most-interesting/542402/3):
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> I might lean towards a bit of “woo” on occasion, but I’m not that far down the rabbit hole that it is impinging on my life, as some on here would love to believe. I’m know I’m not a dummy, despite what my detractors on this site would like others to think( It seems obvious they want to influence the thoughts of others, otherwise, they’d be keeping their own thoughts to themself, and ignoring the alleged troll in their midst, rather than feeding it.), so people can try and insult my intelligence, but they find out I can give just as good as I get very quickly.
As to the charge of trolling put out by **Shodan** , I couldn’t say.
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### Author:  [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/18 "2010-06-09T17:33:13Z")
Wow.
The thread linked to in the OP is changing my opinion of **ivan**.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/19 "2010-06-09T17:36:48Z")
I don’t think he’s stupid or a troll. If he wants to believe in UFOs, who am I to tell him to stop?
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### Author:  [@Cyningablod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyningablod)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/20 "2010-06-09T17:40:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> A. And not only because of the clever bit about Stonehenge.
To be honest, that’s not my own witticism. That clever metaphor was [coined by the Perfect Master himself, in a column on Nostradamus](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/45/was-nostradamus-really-able-to-predict-the-future).
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