# simple poll: Is ivan astikov full of sh\*t? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553 "2010-06-09T16:49:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/21 "2010-06-09T17:40:19Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I don’t think he’s stupid or a troll. If he wants to believe in UFOs, who am I to tell him to stop? Skim through the thread and check out his behavior. I, for one, expected a favorable response to **Miller** ’s attempt to shake sanity into him but no, that was just brushed aside with an unnecessary insult like everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/22 "2010-06-09T17:40:29Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > E. > > Ivan is full of shit, but that is far from all he is. Words like begrimed cruddy crummy disheveled fecal feculent foul grimy gross, grubby grungy impure loathsome miry mucky muddy nasty obscene offensive putrid repulsive revolting scummy sleazy slimy slipshod sloppy slovenly soiled, soily sooty squalid unclean unkempt unwashed verminous vile yecchy bad carious contaminated curdled decomposing disagreeable disgusting evil-smelling feculent fetid foul frowzy fusty gamy high impure loathsome malodorous mold musty nasty nidorous noisome noxious off offensive olid polluted putrefactive putrefied putrescent putrid rank reeky repulsive sharp smelly sour soured stale stinking strong tainted turned unhealthy bad dank disagreeable disgusting evil-smelling funky fusty graveolent gross loathsome mephitic moldy musty nasty nauseating noisome noxious obnoxious off offensive olid pungent putrescent putrid rancid reeking repulsive revolting smelly strong-smelling tainted turned bad bad-smelling corroded corrupt disgusting fecal festering fetid foul infected tainted touched unsound come to mind. WHOA! Whoa! Whoa… sloppy? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/23 "2010-06-09T17:41:26Z")
He’s insane. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/24 "2010-06-09T17:43:06Z")
A) Yes, ivan does for bullshit what Stonehenge did, for rocks. E) Both stupid and a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/25 "2010-06-09T17:48:07Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I don’t think he’s stupid or a troll. If he wants to believe in UFOs, who am I to tell him to stop? Yup. Some people believe in all kinds of religious stuff, totally without evidence. At least some of us have _seen_ UFO’s. If Ivan wants to believe the truth is out there, that’s OK by me, and no reason to write him off as a lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/26 "2010-06-09T17:53:41Z")
The problem isn’t that he believes what he does…its that he simply refuses to engage anyone that even makes an honest attempt to discuss the subject with him unless they’ve read his precious fucking book. That, and he refuses to summarize or quote portions of the book to qualify his position. Its an utterly pointless thread and he acts like an immature dickhead to boot. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/27 "2010-06-09T18:17:42Z")
E) As usual, [it’s the Jews](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12239334&postcount=23)! ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/28 "2010-06-09T18:20:00Z")
E. A, and a troll. I’m likely losing braincells reading that trainwreck, but it’s the bright spot in my week thus far, beating out the HR mandatory training because the unintentional funny here is the failure of the troll to convince us he doesn’t actually believe the crazy. It’s like he’s aware that his crazy won’t stand up to any analysis, so he doesn’t want to expose to anyone who’s capable of debunking it; but still crazy enough to think that many people would actually believe the crazy. I’d be sad for him, but he sounds to much like a timeshare or amway salesdweeb, he won’t show you the goods until you’ve gotten far enough in that the pitch sounds completely reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![zagloba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/977dab/32.png) [@zagloba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zagloba)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/29 "2010-06-09T18:21:34Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > A) Yes, ivan does for bullshit what Stonehenge did, for rocks. > E) Both stupid and a troll. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/30 "2010-06-09T18:21:45Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > The problem isn’t that he believes what he does…its that he simply refuses to engage anyone that even makes an honest attempt to discuss the subject with him unless they’ve read his precious fucking book. That, and he refuses to summarize or quote portions of the book to qualify his position. > > Its an utterly pointless thread and he acts like an immature dickhead to boot. Both criticisms that have been applied to numerous posters here in the past. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/31 "2010-06-09T18:34:13Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Both criticisms that have been applied to numerous posters here in the past. I just can’t understand opening a thread about something that interests you or about something you believe in and then shut out all conversation with such a heavy qualifier as having to read some book in order to take part in the discussion…particularly when the discussion is about UFO’s. Why even bother? And then on top of it act all butt-hurt and get hostile when posters take you to the mat for it. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/32 "2010-06-09T18:34:56Z")
E. A very intelligent and egotistical troll. An attention whore who knows how to stay in his spotlight by trolling just enough to not cross the line. Other than these occasional “look at me” threads that he authors he can be a witty and informative poster. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/33 "2010-06-09T18:46:01Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Both criticisms that have been applied to numerous posters here in the past. You defense of \*\*ivan \*\*is that there are other dickheads on the board? Were I he, I’d request a change of counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/34 "2010-06-09T18:49:24Z")
Best troll\* since Nancy Grace. I love Ivan. Love him. \*I’ve never called anyone a troll before, it felt funny. Anyways, most posters that get accused of trolling, I love them. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/35 "2010-06-09T19:01:28Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > E. He is a troll. > > Regards, > Shodan If I agree with you again, the end times will surely come. Regards, A3D ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/36 "2010-06-09T19:05:01Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Both criticisms that have been applied to numerous posters here in the past. I’m not sure how that excuses his behavour. I have no problems with his beliefs or his right to express them here but read that thread, there were some very patient attempts to get him to explain why he believes as he does. Those polite questions were brushed aside with insults. I don’t agree that most people who think as he does shy away from explaining the reasons for their beliefs. In fact in my experience it’s just the opposite. Ivan is in a league of crazy all his own. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/37 "2010-06-09T19:05:42Z")
I voted for E. His main problem is he doesn’t take the internet as seriously as some people. ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/38 "2010-06-09T19:12:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > He seems to just generally be one of those credulous idiots who’ll believe anything you throw at him. He has that sort of “your religion is science!” attitude towards people with a skeptical outlook. So it’s basically just the “your precious scientific worldview won’t let you accept that bigfoot and aliens and psychics are real! I’m the open minded one here!” attitude. > > I actually tried to pin down roughly where he falls on the credulous retard scale by asking him to give examples of any sort of woo or conspiracy theory he doesn’t believe, and he refused to name a single type of that thing that he didn’t believe in. > > I don’t think this is incompatable. I don’t think the OP meant “stuff he knows to be wrong” by bullshit but rather just stupid beliefs. What is the opposite of Atheist? Someone that believes in everything. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/39 "2010-06-09T19:19:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > E. He is a troll. There’s nothing stopping him from being a troll _and_ being full o’ bull. One could almost say that those things often go hand-in-hand. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/40 "2010-06-09T19:19:54Z")
Meh. I’ve seen loonier loons. I’d sooner believe a conspiracy involving UFOs than any of religious crap some of you morons believe in. At least he’s entertaining at times. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553.md?page=3)