# simple poll: Is ivan astikov full of sh\*t? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553 "2010-06-09T16:49:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/81 "2010-06-10T10:32:39Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Can I have a summary from someone a little less biased? Uh, count yourself? > [@](#): > > Regardless of your accuracy, it seems you have fallen a little short of the 50 “anti-ivan” supporters I challenged **MJCicero** to drum up. Haha, ok. Because we can’t drum up 50 people to give a shit about this poll, even though all the people who have indeed responded were unfavorable to you, you win? Give it time, I guess - can we get some more voters then please? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/82 "2010-06-10T10:37:36Z")
Count me in. I’m always glad to help. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/83 "2010-06-10T10:40:15Z")
Look how I’m bringing Doper’s together here. I’ve got people who wouldn’t normally be seen in the same sub-forum as **Shodan** , coming up and hugging him in solidarity. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/84 "2010-06-10T11:46:38Z")
A. Ivan is full of shit in the same way that a cow is full of beef. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/85 "2010-06-10T11:53:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Uh, count yourself? > > Haha, ok. Because we can’t drum up 50 people to give a shit about this poll, even though all the people who have indeed responded were unfavorable to you, you win? Give it time, I guess - can we get some more voters then please? I’m in. What’s the count now? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/86 "2010-06-10T11:57:16Z")
Let’s be generous and say 35. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/87 "2010-06-10T12:02:35Z")
To add to what I said above, **ivan** does have a clever username, which I always consider a mitigating factor. I vote “no” on banishment (unless it involves putting a giant puppet head on him and tying him to a desert-bound horse, because that’s always entertaining). ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/88 "2010-06-10T12:23:33Z")
E. Troll ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/89 "2010-06-10T12:27:29Z")
A + E. Not that it matters too much. But since I never even noticed the woo up until now is a pretty good indicator that he’s just faking it for the lulz. Same thing with the vituperity. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/90 "2010-06-10T12:33:42Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Can I have a summary from someone a little less biased? > > Regardless of your accuracy, it seems you have fallen a little short of the 50 “anti-ivan” supporters I challenged **MJCicero** to drum up. Oh, of _course_ you’re claiming that a majority of negative opinions vis-à-vis **you** is not, in fact, a majority of negative opinions vis-à-vis **you**. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/91 "2010-06-10T12:50:14Z")
I know! When you reach 50, then we’ll discuss whether the poll has any real significance. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/92 "2010-06-10T12:51:58Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I never thought VCO3 was a troll. I wish he was back here. I agree! In fact, my wish for his return is so great, I stalked him for a bit and took multiple pictures, then took surgical instruments to my face to make me look a little like him then set up a mirror next to my computer so I can feel that he’s still with us though I need to keep paper towels on my desk to wipe the mirror and my monitor as they tend to get flecked from my blood-filled coughing spasms. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/93 "2010-06-10T12:59:59Z")
**ivan** isn’t a troll, as far as I can tell. However, he is clearly a fool and one of the bigger detriments to the boards. Generally, posters like him leave within a month or so, which is one of the reasons I like the SDMB. He isn’t doing any real damage by himself, but if he were to post elsewhere that’d be just fine. Put me down for A, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/94 "2010-06-10T13:04:38Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > **ivan** isn’t a troll, as far as I can tell. However, he is clearly a fool and one of the bigger detriments to the boards. WTF!?! Little ol’ me? Unless you are saying this thread represents the board’s posters in general, I’d have thought I went by mostly unnoticed. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/95 "2010-06-10T13:18:30Z")
missed the edit window - Maybe someone can do the math’s. I make 9 posts a day; what percentage of the Dope’s daily total would that take up, and what would be the likelihood of any poster encountering me? ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/96 "2010-06-10T13:27:38Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > You’re thinking of **ivn1188** , who in addition to being the self-appointed Pit Cop responds to any criticism with infantile name-calling and proclamations of his superiority. I never noticed the difference honestly, I always just assumed they were the same person… Wow. Ignorance fought. In that case, this guy I have no idea about- is he the one who hates and distrusts cops because of his past lifestyle or is that the other **Ivn**? 😕 I never realized there were multi-ivans. :smack: My bad to both probably for associating them at one time with the other. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/97 "2010-06-10T13:38:54Z")
_Don’t believe the hype - its a sequel As an equal, can I get this through to you My 98’s boomin’ with a trunk of funk All the jealous punks can’t stop the dunk Comin’ from the school of hard knocks Some perpetrate, they drink Clorox…_ ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/98 "2010-06-10T13:49:58Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > That thread had me going up until post #159 were **A Monkey With a Gun** called him out. Dumbass then in post #161 fessed up. > > Full of shit?- yes On the next page I disagree: > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think you’ve now turned into troll mode to save face. You started this thread and stated your views with sincerity, but now that they’ve met with universal ridicule, you’re going overboard the other way and trying to act like it was all trolling all along. I don’t really buy it - this is just what you’re like, and you’re clearly an idiot. I think his general idiocy is sincere. Weak minded people who advocate stupid views often become experienced at evading living up to the consequences of their stupidity and learn various tricks, like going into OH LOL NOT AN IDIOT I WAS TROLLING ALL ALONG mode for example. In any case, if he’s a troll in that thread, then he’s just a troll always, and I doubt it. I mean - there are lots and lots of credulous idiots out there that act just like Ivan - so why is it more likely that he’s a troll doing some sort of boring parody of them than to just assume that he is one of them? I mean, you can see from his participation in this [GD thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=566082) about alien contact that these vague assertions of belief in grand conspiracies and UFOs are his actual beliefs. You can see from [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=565892&page=2) his anti-scientific tendencies, specifically stuff like "In order to admit you are wrong, you have to accept that you might be, and it would seem that a lot of scientists are heavily invested in their current beliefs. This is an asset if they are on the right track, but if they are not, it can be very difficult to get them to switch rails. " Or [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12541440&postcount=64) which is just nonsensical. So he’s one of those “so-called skeptics are the real close minded ones. I know telepathy and aliens and bigfoot are real, so the fact that they won’t accept the truth just means they’re closed-minded psuedo-skeptics! Scientists refuse to acknowledge the truth too because they’re afraid of anything that doesn’t fit their world view!” idiots. There are millions of people that have this stupid belief, so why not believe he is one? [Ivan defends wingnuts in general](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=563834) A cursory search turns up Ivan defending 9/11 truthers, anti-vax retards, talking about the US shadow government that killed JFK. I’m sure there’s lots of other stuff but I only spent a few minutes searching. It seems the only woo he’s right on is religion. This is probably more to rebel against mommy than any critical realization of the merits of it. Ironically he mocks the religious for their lack of critical thinking skills. There are unfortunately millions and millions of people like him - no need to search any more deeply and think he’s pulling a Kaufman on us or something. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/99 "2010-06-10T13:51:05Z")
ivan astikov Haiku makes his willy limp Prefers bad hip hop ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553/100 "2010-06-10T17:07:35Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I know! When you reach 50, then we’ll discuss whether the poll has any real significance. How will we do that, seeing as how you will have “backed away from the keyboard” per your promise? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simple-poll-is-ivan-astikov-full-of-sh-t/542553.md?page=6)