# Simpletown Mafia the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 10, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735 "2016-02-10T18:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/181 "2016-02-23T18:24:30Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > What’s part of “moderately convinced” am I misunderstanding. > > And where is your response when I noted that there was a tie and thus your scenario made little sense. I see no response to that still. SPEAKS VOLUMES, I say… The part where I say that it doesn’t matter because even if he was town, he was still suiciding and it makes sense to let a suiciding player die. Especially on Day One when there’s no good evidence of anything else. You keep pointing out the tie as if it’s some sort of ‘gotcha,’ but I’m not sure what you think you’re proving. Yes, his play made very little sense. What is that supposed to prove? His play was bad, but so was suiciding. It was basically a self-vote, there are very few circumstances where that’s not an anti-town play, and I don’t think any of those few circumstances can happen in a vanilla game like this. You’re the one who is trying to make me look bad for letting him die, but the way I see it, **you are the only one who was advocating for a 50/50 coin flip between a known anti-town Prof. P and an unknown quantity PCM.** I say this because the only way that \*\*Prof P. \*\* could have “reconsidered” his actions would have been to use his vote to create another tie, either between himself and PCM or himself and Fair Rarity. When you urged him to reconsider, you were basically urging him to put those two players on the line in favor of him. Now if you’re scummy lying scum, and you know he’s town, then this makes sense as a slip. You’re just telling a townie player to stay alive. If you’re town, and you don’t know Prof. P’s alignment, you’re not okay with that. You are the scummy player in this scenario, Biotop. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/182 "2016-02-23T18:49:33Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Yesterday Mahaloth voted for snfaulkner, Prof.P (very briefly), and ended with his vote on Rarity. > > Today, snfaulkner and Rarity come out voting for each other on pretty flimsy reasoning. And snfaulkner then unvotes almost as quickly. > > Something smells like scum here. This seems to me like good scumhunting. **Unvote TexCat** Although TexCat’s suspicion seems well-founded, I’m in no rush to vote. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/183 "2016-02-23T22:28:35Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Yesterday Mahaloth voted for snfaulkner, Prof.P (very briefly), and ended with his vote on Rarity. > > Today, snfaulkner and Rarity come out voting for each other on pretty flimsy reasoning. And snfaulkner then unvotes almost as quickly. > > Something smells like scum here. I unvoted because my own reasoning seemed a bit flawed, and I almost felt like I was voting out of spite since Fair Rarity had voted for me for no good reason. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/184 "2016-02-24T00:56:57Z")
\*\*@mod – I think you missed the vote in post 159. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/185 "2016-02-24T12:41:02Z")
A quick post and vote before going to work. I reread the game again last night. Pretty easy to catch up on the later evening postings this morning as there were none.😕 How can we hope to get anywhere this way? Vote Fair Rarity I have yet to find one post where \*\*Fair Rarity \*\*is actually trying to find Scum. Not one. She is new here, but that does not forego an obligation to try. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/186 "2016-02-24T13:21:34Z")
Circumstantial evidence has built up against one player: **Vote Johnny Bravo** In #81 Day 1, he FOS without vote snfaulkner. (they may be Scum partners) He’s been voting Biotop who appears Townie to me. He’s posted about rules, something Scum might do to avoid appearing inactive. He refused to break the Day 1 tie. If both PCM and Prof. were Town, Scum would not want to vote either. Yes, this case is very flimsy, but it’s the best I got. _When I consider other possible Scum and try to figure out who their Scum partner might be, all roads lead to Johnny._ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/187 "2016-02-24T13:25:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > He’s posted about rules, something Scum might do to avoid appearing inactive. > \* I’m not sure you have any room to accuse me of inactivity this game. But I tell you what, why don’t you at least comment on the specifics of my case against Biotop? You say he seems town to you, and you also say that I seem scummy because I refused to break the tie. Since all of that has been tenderdized by me in my previous data dumps, it would make sense for you to do me the courtesy of at least _taking the time to debunk my case rather than just voting for me and admitting that it’s a shit vote, right?_ If “all roads lead to Johnny,” it’s only because I’m the only one who’s been arsed to actually take the time to try and build a case against somebody. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/188 "2016-02-24T15:41:44Z")
**Biotop** said something like “Scum need to lie every time they post”; later he explained why this is true even for innocuous “truthful” posts. This is a good, helpful observation. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > The fact is, scum don’t have to lie every time they post. Sometimes, all they have to do is townie things or, failing that, things which are not scummy. So maybe they, you know, spend some time talking about how All Good Townies should be playing. Then encourage some folks to talk more. All very townie, all free of lies, all with minimal paper trail… This is a different, also valid, perspective. The whole discussion is very Meta-, hardly worth a vote. Especially since: > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Just so you know, Biotop’s said that in the last three games he’s been in. But **Johnny** doubled-down. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Nope, it was the truth, and that’s why it was a good scum play. Good scum avoid lying whenever possible. That’s why your adage is wrong. Last time I played with **Johnny** he was Scum and persisted in a bad case without considering other cases. I realize my case against Johnny is very weak. I still have 30 hours left to find a better case, right? Meanwhile it seemed best to point out my suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/189 "2016-02-24T16:08:57Z")
1 - **Biotop** (Johnny Bravo[160]) 0 - **TexCat** ([del]septimus[164][182][/del]) 1 - **Johnny Bravo** (septimus[186]) 2 - **snfaulkner** (Fair Rarity[159], TexCat[177]) 1 - **Fair Rarity** ([del]snfaulkner[172][174][/del], Biotop[185]) 1 - **septimus** (Kimble[158], [del]TexCat[162][177][/del]) ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/190 "2016-02-24T19:04:27Z")
PCMollusc seems to be laying very low. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/191 "2016-02-24T22:20:32Z")
Sorry guys just got a poke from the mod, I am playing , just returned from UK for a funeral last week and back at work and suddenly it is Wednesday . Working on this tonight ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/192 "2016-02-24T22:23:15Z")
My initial gut was Texcat as scummy, I did not like their comment that they were happy with either a PCM or Prof lynch as we both appeared equally scummy. Could well be a wolf just letting either town player get lunched and keeping a clean voting slate. Admittedly I haven’t read the last 3 pages yet so if texcat has claimed some role and is actually town then I will indeed look foolish ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/193 "2016-02-24T23:27:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Circumstantial evidence has built up against one player: > > **Vote Johnny Bravo** > > In #81 Day 1, he FOS without vote snfaulkner. (they may be Scum partners) > He’s been voting Biotop who appears Townie to me. > He’s posted about rules, something Scum might do to avoid appearing inactive. > He refused to break the Day 1 tie. If both PCM and Prof. were Town, Scum would not want to vote either. > > Yes, this case is very flimsy, but it’s the best I got. _When I consider other possible Scum and try to figure out who their Scum partner might be, all roads lead to Johnny._ > [@septimus](#): > > But **Johnny** doubled-down. > > Last time I played with **Johnny** he was Scum and persisted in a bad case without considering other cases. > > I realize my case against Johnny is very weak. I still have 30 hours left to find a better case, right? Meanwhile it seemed best to point out my suspicions. This seems to be making some sense to me. **Johnny B** Does seem to be pushing really hard against **Biotop** for just pointing out basic strategy. I still have a few hours to make up my mind and vote, but here’s how I’m leaning right now: FoS list: **Johnny B Fair Rarity** PermaFoS (For Meta reasons): **Biotop** ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/194 "2016-02-25T01:07:22Z")
Ok, there is less than 5 hours before I’m out of the office. Since nobody has been discussing anything new, I’m going to go ahead and… **VOTE Johnny Bravo** For the reasons stated previous. Although **Fair Rarity** is a close second. If anyone has anything to add, now’s the time. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/195 "2016-02-25T01:13:15Z")
Reading and catching up ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/196 "2016-02-25T01:17:02Z")
\*\*snf, \*\* I am confused by your having both Johnny B and Biotop in your FOS list. If JohnnyB flips scum, what will you think of Biotop? What if he flips town, what will you think of Biotop then? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/197 "2016-02-25T01:22:20Z")
Initial thought - strong town lean on septimus , if he were scum he would know both Prof and I were town so why work he get involved in last minute schnanigans ? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/198 "2016-02-25T01:25:46Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > \*\*snf, \*\* I am confused by your having both Johnny B and Biotop in your FOS list. If JohnnyB flips scum, what will you think of Biotop? What if he flips town, what will you think of Biotop then? As I said up thread, **Biotop** is only on my suspicions list because he has proven to be a conniving mastermind in previous games. Bamboozling me right down to the very end of last game. I do not (yet) have a reason to suspect him in this game for anything done in this game. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/199 "2016-02-25T01:32:18Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > \*\*snf, \*\* I am confused by your having both Johnny B and Biotop in your FOS list. If JohnnyB flips scum, what will you think of Biotop? What if he flips town, what will you think of Biotop then? Sorry, I seemed to have not answered you actual question directly. If **JB** flips scum, it would indicate **Biotop** would be town. Which would be great for us Simpletons. If **JB** flips townie, it will yet again prove how stupid I am. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/200 "2016-02-25T01:45:42Z")
Not much at the moment . Kind of slight town read on SNF and Kimble if only for the flimsy reason that they both talked ( along with Mahaloth) about set up. Something that there has been very little of, which is odd for a closed setup . Scum would probably happily avoid that discussion for defeat of giving something away . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=11)