# Simpletown Mafia the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 10, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735 "2016-02-10T18:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/201 "2016-02-25T01:47:19Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I have yet to find one post where \*\*Fair Rarity \*\*is actually trying to find Scum. Not one. She is new here, but that does not forego an obligation to try. True, I need to try, but I don’t see much evidence to go on yet. EVERYTHING is suspicious and no patterns emerge so quickly. So I’m not trying as hard as I will later because it’s just a lot of confusion for me. I tend to overthink and get myself really confused too, so slow and steady works better for me being right. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/202 "2016-02-25T01:48:55Z")
Bio often comes across as a diligent scum hunter , so buggered if I know there. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/203 "2016-02-25T01:51:55Z")
Fair rairity seams to be getting to know the game here , so can’t say much about them ( and I am hardly in a position to criticize lurking today) That leaves JB and TC ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/204 "2016-02-25T01:56:51Z")
Thinking about biotop trying to persuade the prof not to suicide, the prof could have switched to Kimble . If bio was scum that would indicate kimbal is town , I’d bio is twon , well doesn’t say a whole lot . ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/205 "2016-02-25T02:01:30Z")
Post 176 by JB seams to suggest that lynching bio confirms me. Worried by that post as it just seams that JB is excessively sure I am town . Scum know I am but JB over confidence seams odd ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/206 "2016-02-25T02:03:59Z")
**VOTE Johnny Bravo** [/QUOTE] TC is also on my list , hanging back and providing helpful little prods , scum directing the conversation ? One day I will be right about TC . ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/207 "2016-02-25T02:45:30Z")
I think that there was at least one scum on the combined Prof P/PCM wagon on Day 1. (Especially if there are 3 scum.) TexCat and I have seemed to think similarly throughout the game, so I’m inclined to think of her as town. I know I’m town. Prof P is definitely town. That leaves the Prof P wagon. As of post 206, all of the end-of-day Prof P voters are voting for Johnny. Personally, it looks to me like Johnny and Biotop are both town. (As a matter of fact, I think it’s more likely they’re both scum and distancing themselves from each other than one of them is scum and the other is town.) I’m not really sure which of those three voters (septimus, PCM, and snfaulkner) are scum. I actually think snfaulkner’s least likely of those three to be scum, as evidenced by the fact that I haven’t voted for him. However, I think at this moment my voting for him is the best way to get scum lynched at the end of the Day. **Unvote septimus** **Vote snfaulkner** I probably won’t be able to be active at the deadline, but I’ll do my best to check in when I can. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/208 "2016-02-25T02:48:18Z")
Unbelievable. Not a single person voting me has so much as commented on my case on Biotop, and now I’ve got a train going. If you’re going to throw me to the wolves, at least have a reason for it beyond “I realize my case against Johnny is very weak” and “pushing really hard against Biotop for just pointing out basic strategy.” I don’t mind dying for town, but at least grow some balls about it. There’s not a single extant case except mine, and the people voting for me won’t even do me the courtesy of commenting on the damned thing. The rest of the votes are for vague feelings and one-offs. At least I’ve built a train of reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/209 "2016-02-25T02:58:58Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Post 176 by JB seams to suggest that lynching bio confirms me. Worried by that post as it just seams that JB is excessively sure I am town . Scum know I am but JB over confidence seams odd I believe that Biotop didn’t particularly care whether you or Prof. P got lynched yesterday. The only reason why he wouldn’t have cared is if you’re both town. Under my working theory, if Bio is scum then you are strongly leaning town. I never said confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/210 "2016-02-25T03:04:10Z")
> [@Kimble](#): > > As of post 206, all of the end-of-day Prof P voters are voting for Johnny. This is interesting and bears consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/211 "2016-02-25T03:15:44Z")
\*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*, for what it’s worth I think you are misguided Town playing against the me from the last game. I realize this statement will not win me any points with you, but that’s my read on your case against me. I also don’t advocate lynching you because you have been playing the game and active players have been, shall we say, a rarity in this game. I will try and post some thoughts on the rest of the players in the morning before work. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/212 "2016-02-25T03:39:28Z")
> [@Kimble](#): > > I actually think snfaulkner’s least likely of those three to be scum, as evidenced by the fact that I haven’t voted for him. However, I think at this moment my voting for him is the best way to get scum lynched at the end of the Day. > > **Unvote septimus** > **Vote snfaulkner** Ummm…huh? You vote for me because I seem LEAST likely to be scum? This seems like a very very poor town move. Or is this some crazy advanced play of which I’m unaware? As town, we need to be voting for the MOST likely scum. Right? Or are you purposefully trying to be confusing, as scum do? :dubious: You’ve tentatively made my FoS list. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/213 "2016-02-25T03:52:54Z")
Guys/girls/fellow Simpletons, a thought occurs to me. If we get this wrong toDay, and there are 3 wolves/mafia/scumbos, then toMorrow we are at 3 vs 3. If I read the setup correctly, we keep going until we eliminate ALL “threats”, yes? Correct me if I’m wrong. So in a 3v3 situation, scum are going to be able to control the vote pretty easily, right? Unless of course there are some power roles somewhere to change things. So we NEED to get this right toDay. Just food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/214 "2016-02-25T04:08:07Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Ummm…huh? You vote for me because I seem LEAST likely to be scum? This seems like a very very poor town move. Or is this some crazy advanced play of which I’m unaware? As town, we need to be voting for the MOST likely scum. Right? Or are you purposefully trying to be confusing, as scum do? :dubious: You’ve tentatively made my FoS list. My guess would be that of the 3 people listed (you me septimus) you are the only one getting any votes, so in their eyes getting you lynched is better than someone not on the list. Well after the same double take , that’s what I think they were thinking ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/215 "2016-02-25T04:13:47Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > My guess would be that of the 3 people listed (you me septimus) you are the only one getting any votes, so in their eyes getting you lynched is better than someone not on the list. > Well after the same double take , that’s what I think they were thinking Ok, I think I think that might make SOME sense? But I’m still not sure. I still don’t like it though. ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/216 "2016-02-25T06:25:32Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > My guess would be that of the 3 people listed (you me septimus) you are the only one getting any votes, so in their eyes getting you lynched is better than someone not on the list. > Well after the same double take , that’s what I think they were thinking This is correct. Sorry for any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/217 "2016-02-25T12:11:14Z")
Johnny, you keep asking people to respond to your case against Biotop. I’ve indicated that your meta-argument in #99 seems, at best, a null tell. That leaves the case consisting strictly of one post, based on reading Biotop’s scum musings from another game: > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > This is a hunch, but I recall from the game I ran that Biotop, as scum, spoke often about “experienced” players when discussing who to night kill. He also spoke of Mahaloth as an experienced player. Thus, the Mahaloth kill makes me think that Biotop was involved. > > There’s very little in-thread reason why Mahaloth would have been killed - he didn’t do much yesterDay. _Setting aside the gamesmanship this is a real argument_. The way you cling to it makes your concern seem sincere; too bad you “poisoned the well” with the earlier #99. Combined with Biotop’s super-helpfulness, it does make him a top candidate. _Most likely, either Johnny or Biotop is Scum_. If I had to guess now, I _might_ move my vote to **Biotop** , but I’m not sure. Fortunately I don’t have to guess. Who is their Scum partner? Several players have sent out strong Town vibes. _Yet there is one very experienced player who has steadfastly refused to weigh in on the Biotop-Johnny controversy, and pursued only very weak cases._ **She’s one of the Scum partners.** **Unvote Johnny Bravo** **Vote TexCat** Let’s take out the easy Scum toDay; make the Biotop-Johnny decision toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/218 "2016-02-25T12:50:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > That leaves the case consisting strictly of one post, based on reading Biotop’s scum musings from another game Except for posts 176 and 181. At this point I don’t know whether you’re being lazy or disingenuous. Your unvote is as weak as your vote. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/219 "2016-02-25T12:56:47Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > If **JB** flips scum, it would indicate **Biotop** would be town. Not by a long shot, but this is an easy claim to throw away if you know I’m town. > [@](#): > > If **JB** flips townie, it will yet again prove how stupid I am. This is a problematic because if I get lynched toDay and flip town the implications are a lot more dire than “oh, snfaulkner was stupid.” > [@](#): > > So we NEED to get this right toDay. > > Just food for thought. Heavy thoughts from somebody whose own vote boils down to “yeah, what he said.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/220 "2016-02-25T13:00:04Z")
Lazy. Rereading I do see #181 is strong. You’ve almost got me convinced. But for now I’ll leave my vote on **TexCat** who is also Scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=12)