# Simpletown Mafia the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 10, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735 "2016-02-10T18:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/261 "2016-02-25T22:01:04Z")
[More Fluff with extra fluff.](http://www.warrenphotographic.co.uk/photography/bigs/24087-Cream-kitten-and-Yellow-Labrador-Retriever-pups-asleep-white-background.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/262 "2016-02-25T23:44:24Z")
Yay! BTW, I’ll be visiting family this weekend. I’ll be limited to phone posting until Sunday night. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/263 "2016-02-26T01:13:46Z")
I DON’T WANT TO POST FLUFF. I HAVE THINGS TO SAY. god fluff it. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/264 "2016-02-27T20:59:53Z")
Good Morning everyone, except TexCat who is now dead. TexCat a **Simpleton** is dead. It is now Day. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/265 "2016-02-27T21:16:32Z")
Bah! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/266 "2016-02-27T22:16:49Z")
Damn - I was holding out a hope that killing an “Assassin” meant we took their nightkill away. I have no idea what that role is supposed to do, especially considering that all of the roles are supposed to be basic. If we have an investigative role with any useful results, I hope they’ll start considering when to claim. Scum’s target pool is getting smaller and smaller. A ton of stuff happened at the end of the Day yesterday. I need to look it all over and unpack it at all. One thing is for sure - Biotop’s quick unvote of septimus and subsequent rant when he didn’t realize we’d lynched scum seems pretty telling. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/267 "2016-02-27T22:32:57Z")
Let’s look at some colors. Day Two Vote Results 3 - **snfaulkner** - (Fair Rarity[159], TexCat[177], [del]Kimble[207][228][/del], Johnny Bravo[241]) 2 - **septimus** - ([del]Kimble[158][207][/del], [del]TexCat[162][177][/del], Biotop[224], Kimble[228], [del]Johnny Bravo[230][241][/del]) 2 - **Johnny Bravo** - ([del]septimus[186][217][/del], snfaulkner[194], Precambrianmollusc[206]) 1 - **Biotop** - ([del]Johnny Bravo[160][230][/del], septimus[225]) 0 - **Fair Rarity** - ([del]snfaulkner[172][174][/del], [del]Biotop[185][224][/del]) 0 - **TexCat** - ([del]septimus[164][225][/del], [del]septimus[217][225][/del]) Day One Vote Results 3 - **Prof. Pepperwinkle** - ([del]TexCat[36][95][/del], [del]septimus[51][114][/del], snfaulkner[53], [del]Mahaloth[64][64][/del], Precambrianmollusc[113], septimus[120]) 2 - **Fair Rarity** - (Mahaloth[64], Biotop[68]) 2 - **Precambrianmollusc** - (Kimble[37], TexCat\*\*[95], [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle[121][129][/del]) 1 - **Mahaloth** - ([del]snfaulkner[46][53][/del], [del]Precambrianmollusc[65][113][/del], Fair Rarity[82]) 1 - **Kimble** - ([del]Johnny Bravo[44][99][/del], [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle[71][121][/del], Prof. Pepperwinkle[129]) 1 - **Biotop** - (Johnny Bravo[99]) 0 - **snfaulkner** - ([del]Mahaloth[45][64][/del], [del]septimus[51][51][/del]) ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/268 "2016-02-28T01:42:25Z")
Ok, so last round I picked snfaulkner because they had no votes in round 1. I wanted to make sure everyone had had at least one. Kind of gauges how people react and there was nothing to judge in this case at the beg of day 2. I was planning on unvoting and revoting if I felt someone had a compelling case for another player, but snfaulkner’s reaction to being voted for cemented me. It was protesting TOO much. It was enough to make me keep my vote, but not strong enough of a hunch to talk about it. Like it was just a feeling, nothing I could really put into words. And I was right, so yay me. > [@Biotop](#): > > Sorry, had to get that vote in under the deadline. Good grief folks. How can we waste three days not posting and then come to this? > > My vote was stupid, but it seemed to make sense when I was driving in to work. I am Town. > > I also think my case against \*\*Fair Rarity \*\*is made. > > The case against me is bizarre. I am too helpful. I must be Scum because \*\*Mahaloth \*\* who is known to die early in games died. I must be Scum because I tried to talk a Townie out of suicide and then got pissed at others for not doing so. I must be Scum because \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*has yelled it long enough it must be true. > > Bizarro world mafia. Since I know when I’m being incorrectly identified, my Spidey sense is tingling in this direction. **Vote Biotop** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/269 "2016-02-28T02:11:49Z")
I had a flash yesterDay that Biotop was Scum. I still think I’m right: **Vote Biotop** Who is his Scum partner(s)? _ **It seems quite possible snfaulkner was the only other Scum.** _ Two goons versus 8 Vanilla Towns (or 7 Vanillas and a Scotsman) sounds about balanced. If there are three Scum, Town would need a Cop and at least one other power role to be balanced (and [meta-reason] the Mod might have been happy to get an 11th player on board). But no Power role has turned up. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/270 "2016-02-28T02:17:37Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I had a flash yesterDay that Biotop was Scum. I don’t think you ever actually explained _why_ you were suddenly 100% confident that Biotop was scum. You also never really explained why you were so confident that Texcat was his scum partner. Please explain both lines of reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/271 "2016-02-28T02:48:38Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I DON’T WANT TO POST FLUFF. I HAVE THINGS TO SAY. > > god fluff it. **Fair Rarity** , I still have a bruise on my chin from when my jaw dropped after reading this post last Night. I think you are Town now because you could have switched off of **snfaulkner** , but didn’t. But please understand that my criticism of your absence is valid. Not posting for days is unhelpful at best. I like **septimus** ’ theory. Two Scum, Seven vanilla Town. All quite convenient. Except for one thing. It doesn’t explain the suicide. The second suicide, not the first one. Because any way you look at it, **snfaulkner** committed suicide. Why didn’t **snfaulkner** switch his vote to **septimus**? **snfaulkner** could have unvoted **Johnny Bravo** and voted for **septimus** at any time near EOD. It would be an easy “self-preservation” vote, like we have discussed a number of times already in this game. No one would have held that against him. He was online at the time. So why didn’t he do that? He took a certain death, as Scum, instead of making the obvious switch to **septimus** and living for at least another round. **snfaulkner** for some reason committed suicide. Can anyone explain this? I made my anti-Town mistake when I voted for **septimus** out of frustration. I was worried that I might have cost us the game. Instead, I think I gave **snfaulkner** no winning choice. Vote septimus And oh, by the way, if we do have power roles, please post if you have something to say that might influence the critical Day 3 vote. But otherwise, be careful about outing yourselves prematurely. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/272 "2016-02-28T03:03:02Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > He was online at the time. So why didn’t he do that? You keep citing who was online at certain times, but this is a bad habit. Online statistics don’t account for windows left open, phone browsers left active, or whatever else. It’s a kind of meta-evidence that doesn’t really mean anything. Just because somebody was technically “online” per the board’s timers doesn’t mean that they were actually reading the thread, let alone able to post. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/273 "2016-02-28T03:41:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > You keep citing who was online at certain times, but this is a bad habit. Online statistics don’t account for windows left open, phone browsers left active, or whatever else. It’s a kind of meta-evidence that doesn’t really mean anything. > > Just because somebody was technically “online” per the board’s timers doesn’t mean that they were actually reading the thread, let alone able to post. At 3:43pm EST, with just 17 minutes to go until possible EOD, **snfaulkner** WAS online and posted this: -----originally posted by **snfaulkner** ----- Ok, I haven’t got much time to go into any detail right now. However, here is what im feeling. Septimus, I believe you are most likely town, regardless of your big blue claim. While it certainly doesn’t take much to make me believe biotop is scum, jb’s case against you seems like total flailing to me, reinforcing my vote for him. Also, I agree with you about texcat. She seems to be sitting back and pulling strings. I can certainly envision jb/texcat/biotop scumfront. I now must shower, install pants, find caffeine, a drive to the acid mines. I doubt I will be there in time for the secret fuzzy deadline. * * * At the time the vote was 3 to 2, actually in favor of **septimus**. **Johnny Bravo** , what would you, or I, or any reasonable player who has been given a Scum role do at this time? We would put our vote on Town \*\*septimus \*\*to ensure our survival. We might apologize to **septimus** , but them’s the breaks. He didn’t do that. He said he thought\*\* septimus\*\* was Town and went to take a shower. I am not making up this timeline. Go back and look for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/274 "2016-02-28T06:21:23Z")
He probably didn’t expect me to turn around and switch my vote so quickly and so close to the end of the day. Occam’s razor. It’s not “suicide” because he wasn’t the lynch leader when he posted that. He didn’t know that I was watching to see if he’d give me a reason to do what I did. Regardless, I don’t completely disagree with you. I think there’s a lot of evidence against septimus. I also think there’s still plenty of evidence against you. I think you’re bussing each other in the hope that whichever of you dies, the other will gain town cred after a scum flip. My post #229 outlines plenty of suspicious activity involving you three, and I bet that when I go back with fresh eyes and knowledge that snfaulkner was truly scum, I’ll find even more. In the meanwhile, this bears commenting upon: > [@Biotop](#): > > I made my anti-Town mistake when I voted for **septimus** out of frustration. I was worried that I might have cost us the game.\*\* Instead, I think I gave **snfaulkner** no winning choice.\*\* Bolding mine. Your attempt to characterize your throwaway vote and subsequent unvote as a key factor in yesterday’s is positively Orwellian in its revisionism. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/275 "2016-02-28T06:26:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Your attempt to characterize your throwaway vote and subsequent unvote as a key factor in yesterday’s is positively Orwellian in its revisionism. NETA: \*in yesterday’s lynch. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/276 "2016-02-28T10:46:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I don’t think you ever actually explained _why_ you were suddenly 100% confident that Biotop was scum. You also never really explained why you were so confident that Texcat was his scum partner. > > Please explain both lines of reasoning. When it appeared very likely that you were Town and therefore sincere I re-examined your case agiasnt Biotop and found it very strong. If Biotop is not a Scum mastermind, he’s doing a good imitation of one. I was never sure who Biotop’s Scum partner(s) were. TexCat was a top suspect because she didn’t seem to be doing much scum-hunting, and didn’t weigh in on Biotop or you. As shown in the vote record, I went back and forth on her. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/277 "2016-02-28T14:31:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > He probably didn’t expect me to turn around and switch my vote so quickly and so close to the end of the day. Occam’s razor. It’s not “suicide” because he wasn’t the lynch leader when he posted that. He didn’t know that I was watching to see if he’d give me a reason to do what I did. > > Regardless, I don’t completely disagree with you. I think there’s a lot of evidence against septimus. I also think there’s still plenty of evidence against you. I think you’re bussing each other in the hope that whichever of you dies, the other will gain town cred after a scum flip. > > My post #229 outlines plenty of suspicious activity involving you three, and I bet that when I go back with fresh eyes and knowledge that snfaulkner was truly scum, I’ll find even more. > > In the meanwhile, this bears commenting upon: > > Bolding mine. Your attempt to characterize your throwaway vote and subsequent unvote as a key factor in yesterday’s is positively Orwellian in its revisionism. Unfair again. My vote was a throwaway vote. I have never said otherwise. But it shook up the game in ways I never could have guessed. So \*why \*did it shake up the game? Don’t you think **septimus** ’ reaction a bit overblown? I sure do. If you go ahead and lynch me, and I turn Town as I will, what next? Well it’s all good if then you kill \*\*septimus \*\*next provided there were only, as **septimus** suggests, two Scum. You all kill him next and we still win. But if there were three Scum to start, then we would need two tie breakers to win. Not good odds. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/278 "2016-02-28T15:03:03Z")
If \*\*septimus \*\* and I were both Scum, then we would be fake arguing against each other just to eventually set up an endgame tie. That would be our best case scenario with an even number of players. Sure we could choose not to night kill someone the last night, as was discussed in the previous game, but I am laying that idea open here. If such a situation arises it makes good sense from everything that has occurred to vote for the one of us remaining. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/279 "2016-02-29T01:18:30Z")
I’m not sure of **septimus** yet, but I’m getting more and more confident about **Biotop**. And even if **septimus** turns out to be scum, this round the enemy of my enemy is my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/280 "2016-02-29T01:46:13Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I’m not sure of **septimus** yet, but I’m getting more and more confident about **Biotop**. > > And even if **septimus** turns out to be scum, this round the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Alas I am not your enemy if you are Town. I disagree with your play which, while understandable for a new player to our games, is actually not helpful to the Town cause. What about my play makes you think I am Scum? What about **septimus**? Do you have any thoughts on the other players? You said you had “things to say.” What are those things? Mafia is a participation game. I believe in holding players accountable for that participation if they are on my team. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=15)