# Simpletown Mafia the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 10, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735 "2016-02-10T18:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/101 "2016-02-17T22:35:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > This post has been bothering me for a little while, now. > > The fact is, scum don’t have to lie every time they post. Sometimes, all they have to do is townie things or, failing that, things which are not scummy. So maybe they, you know, spend some time talking about how All Good Townies should be playing. Then encourage some folks to talk more. All very townie, all free of lies, all with minimal paper trail. > > Feels off to me. Let’s see where it goes. > \*\* > unvote Kimble > > vote Biotop.\*\* Just so you know, Biotop’s said that in the last three games he’s been in. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/102 "2016-02-17T22:35:25Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Actually, it’s a Five-Way tie. I’m not sold on Kimble, and will probably change my vote when I can figure out who’s the most likely Scum. So just waiting to see which way the wind blows ? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/103 "2016-02-17T22:42:07Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > So just waiting to see which way the wind blows ? Waiting to see who screws up first under pressure, is more like it. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/104 "2016-02-17T23:52:26Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I can’t even fault snfaulkner’s vote on me, even though it’s wrong. He did have more reason that is usually found this early on, even though it’s wrong. Did I mention it’s wrong? I’ve found that I’m wrong more often than not, except last game when I was right to vote for you, but then I was wrong to unvote you. So in conclusion, I’m an idiot. And my vote stays for now. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Remember! Only 28 1/2 hours to move your vote! I personally will more than likely only have 6 more hours to move my vote. But there as of yet has been no reason to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/105 "2016-02-18T00:31:58Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’ve found that I’m wrong more often than not, except last game when I was right to vote for you, but then I was wrong to unvote you. So in conclusion, I’m an idiot. And my vote stays for now. > > I personally will more than likely only have 6 more hours to move my vote. But there as of yet has been no reason to do so. Because if I’m affable and charming and convincing, that’s just more reason to think I’m Scum. But if I was surly and paranoid and questionable, that’s just more reason to think I’m Scum. Can’t win that one. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/106 "2016-02-18T00:54:07Z")
Do we have any clue how many wolfs/mafias/scumballs there might be in a 10 player game? 3? ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/107 "2016-02-18T01:14:20Z")
2 or 3. It’d depend on how powerful the power roles are and whose side they’re on, of course. Dante’s game last fall had 3. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/108 "2016-02-18T01:28:41Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > he voted with absolutely no reason No, I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/109 "2016-02-18T01:29:45Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Do we have any clue how many wolfs/mafias/scumballs there might be in a 10 player game? 3? No, but I’d guess…3. Just a guess, though. It is a small game. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/110 "2016-02-18T02:07:53Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Fair Rarity** : I do not understand voting for a player simply because that player voted for you. Do you see something else scummy with\*\* Mahaloth\*\* or is it just an “easy” retaliation vote? I don’t think retaliation votes really get us anywhere. In my other game, you vote for me, I vote for you kind of thing happened EVERY round. Plus since I’m the newb HERE, I find it suspicious when someone votes for the newb, having seen it done to other people in my other forum. I don’t ALWAYS vote for people who vote for me, but it felt right. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I think Fair Rarity is acting as newbies always do, and that septimus and Kimble are worse lurkers than he/she is. Yup. Still getting a feel for things, playing my “old” style. If I survive, I’ll adjust. Also, I’m a she but I don’t care if y’all call me a he. Just don’t vote for me. 😉 > [@Biotop](#): > > \*\*Fair Rarity \*\*lurked and then made a retaliation vote which helps not at all. It is “easy” in the sense that he is not making a case, and can defend the vote later as simple retaliation by a new player. This game is a lot of things, but easy is not one of them. My vote stays where it is. It’s easy for me because it gave me something to go on. I don’t know any of you very well, so at this point it’s a wall of strangers. I’m used to forums with more thematic names and avatars, which helps to keep people straight. It’s also much, much smaller so it’s easier to distinguish people. I don’t want to have to pick someone randomly quite yet, which is what I did before until I got the hang of things. I’m trying to adjust my play by going with someone who thinks I’m worthy of suspicion. I find the first round is the hardest because everyone acts suspicious and no one’s used night powers, no hard data and evidence. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/111 "2016-02-18T02:59:40Z")
Vote Count 2 - **Prof. Pepperwinkle** (septimus[51], snfaulkner[53]) 2 - **Fair Rarity** (Mahaloth[64], Biotop[68]) 2 - **Mahaloth** (Precambrianmollusc[65], Fair Rarity[82]) 2 - **Precambrianmollusc** (Kimble[37], TexCat[95]) 1 - **Kimble** (Prof. Pepperwinkle[71]) 1 - **Biotop** (Johnny Bravo[99]) Ok, this is where we are now (unless I messed something up?). In less than 3 hours, the game will no longer have my full attention until tomorrow after EoD (although I may check in briefly once or twice before bed). If anyone has anything brilliant to add, the clock is ticking. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/112 "2016-02-18T05:27:55Z")
I also will not be around at End of Day except during the half hour I get for lunch… which could be before or after 4PM. I will try to check in from my phone when I can. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/113 "2016-02-18T11:25:29Z")
Unvote: Mahaloth Vote: PRofpepperwinkle \*\* Really a bit of a self preservation vote , I know I am town , not at all sure about the prof or rarity but the prof it will be. Getting on a flight now to the US so will be out until tonight Good luck town ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/114 "2016-02-18T13:25:26Z")
Come, come, no longer will I be a fool, To put the finger in the eye and weep, Whilst man and master laughs my woes to scorn. **Unvote Prof. Pepperwinkle** The croaking raven doth bellow for revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/115 "2016-02-18T13:33:09Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Just so you know, Biotop’s said that in the last three games he’s been in. Which is itself a terrible defense, because “I always do a certain specific thing” just creates a convenient smokescreen for the times when you’re actually scum and it becomes the right ploy. The fact that Biotop chose to completely ignore my vote on him speaks volumes. Volumes, I say! ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/116 "2016-02-18T14:05:19Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Which is itself a terrible defense, because “I always do a certain specific thing” just creates a convenient smokescreen for the times when you’re actually scum and it becomes the right ploy. The fact that Biotop chose to completely ignore my vote on him speaks volumes. > > Volumes, I say! Your vote was absurd. I got home near midnight last night from bridge and it didn’t seem necessary to rebut it. Of course you know that I mean that Scum lie by pretending to be Town, so even if they tell a “truth” it is a lie because the motivation is a lie. And I think hunting for motivation is harder, but more accurate, then looking for outright lies. I find outright obvious lies to be sparse in this game. I believe in the first game we played you (as Scum) made a remark something about how vanilla Town’s role was to die at night instead of a power role. I saw merit in that remark and have remembered it (accurately, I hope, because I have to get to work and don’t have time to research it). But it was also a stinking lie because you were pretending to be a helpful Townie instead of Scum. But you knew I meant that. So what is your motivation? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/117 "2016-02-18T14:19:28Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > But it was also a stinking lie because you were pretending to be a helpful Townie instead of Scum. Nope, it was the truth, and that’s why it was a good scum play. Good scum avoid lying whenever possible. That’s why your adage is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/118 "2016-02-18T15:06:45Z")
And I believe a true statement whose motivation is actually to deceive is really a lie. So I guess we’ll have to disagree on that. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/119 "2016-02-18T15:11:00Z")
Soft Deadline in about 6 hours. 2 - **Prof. Pepperwinkle** ([del]TexCat[36][95][/del], [del]septimus[51][114][/del], snfaulkner[53], [del]Mahaloth[64][64][/del], Precambrianmollusc[113]) 1 - **Biotop** (Johnny Bravo[99]) 0 - **snfaulkner** ([del]Mahaloth[45][64][/del], [del]septimus[51][51][/del]) 2 - **Fair Rarity** (Mahaloth[64], Biotop[68]) 1 - **Mahaloth** ([del]snfaulkner[46][53][/del], [del]Precambrianmollusc[65][113][/del], Fair Rarity[82]) 2 - **Precambrianmollusc** (Kimble[37], TexCat[95]) 1 - **Kimble** ([del]Johnny Bravo[44][99][/del], Prof. Pepperwinkle[71]) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/120 "2016-02-18T16:28:11Z")
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