# Simpletown Mafia the Third **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 10, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735 "2016-02-10T18:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/161 "2016-02-22T02:26:24Z")
Boo. Go town! ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/162 "2016-02-22T03:17:54Z")
> [@Kimble](#): > > I think that Prof P thought (since he knew he was town) that if PCM were scum, then one of his scumbuddies would have voted for Prof P to break the tie. Since they didn’t, PCM is town. I personally don’t think that’s true, especially at the point when it was so late in the Day that any switches would be viewed with high suspicion. That might make sense, but… I still claim that if I know I’m town, it’s better to lynch someone who is only probably town. And the real kicker is why he didn’t vote Rarity. Then he would have tied someone who he knew was town with someone else, Rarity. Still makes no sense to me. > [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > \*\*Vote snfaulkner \*\* > > Because you ended up with zero vote last round. ?? Because snf wasn’t suspicious on D1, he’s suspicious now??? \*\*vote Septimus \*\*[/vote] Late vote on townie yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/163 "2016-02-22T04:45:25Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Boo. Go town! Sorry **Mahaloth**. Go Town indeed. Just so you know, despite **Johnny Bravo** ’s misguided ramblings, I would never want to see you night killed on the first round, even if I was Scum. You are fun to have around. I am off work Monday, so I am glad the start of Day 2 got delayed. There’s a good bit to talk over. But more than that, I was pissed off at the way the Day 1 ended, and frustrated I was not there until too late. I needed the space of an extra day to cool down. This is just a game. But, (and please don’t take this wrong, fellow Townspeople),\* but was there no one else onliine when **Prof. Pepperwinkle** decided to kill himself? \* I think we should have been able to convince “game theory” fan **Prof.** \*\*Pepperwinkle \*\*that his move was a mistake _if he was Town_. (The move also made little sense if he was Scum, unless a Scum \*\*PP \*\*was hoping that we’d all jump to **PCM** – quite a stretch). I CAN understand **PCM** not interfering whatever his alignment. But what about everyone else? Do you mind if I ask? \*Were you online at the time, and if so, why did you not interfere? \* I will be going over my notes and plan to post a good bit tomorrow, but I will respond to **Johnny Bravo** ’s vote on me now lest my silence “speak volumes.” I freely admit saying in past games that I believe Scum tend to go after experienced players early. I don’t think this is an especially insightful thought, and it is certainly not original in any way to me. It makes some sense, of course. Experience is a kind of power role. I daresay that is probably why **Mahaloth** died, but I am not able read the Scum board to know for sure. **Johnny** , you think he died because of his experience too, I gather. Yet you single me out even though this experience/night kill connection has been thoroughly discussed in both the other game we played AND the one you moderated. But I am also quite disappointed in your opinion of me, **Johnny Bravo**. If Scum I believe I would have advocated a much more imaginative pick than **Mahaloth**. I am disappointed that after our past games you don’t give me such credit. Oh well. My ego will survive I guess. Or maybe you are Scum and just messing with my head. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/164 "2016-02-22T14:29:08Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > vote Septimus > Late vote on townie yesterday. If I were Scum why would I vote for a Townie about to be Lynched unless I was saving a Scum brother? If I’m Scum, PCM must be also but the converse isn’t true. Yesterday I was completely ignorant, had no scum leans on anyone (except a very slight lean against the Professor). I had a vague, perhaps silly, idea that the best use of my vote was to keep the vote close making Scum blunder more likely. I unvoted Prof. when PCM voted him as self-defense. Later, just before my bedtime, I restored the vote. Reading **Prof. Pepperwinkle** ’s final posts I’d feel “truth” and might have unvoted again. But I was in bed. TexCat’s vote makes no sense. **Vote TexCat** ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/165 "2016-02-22T16:09:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yesterday I was completely ignorant, had no scum leans on anyone (except a very slight lean against the Professor). I had a vague, perhaps silly, idea that the best use of my vote was to keep the vote close making Scum blunder more likely. > > I unvoted Prof. when PCM voted him as self-defense. Later, just before my bedtime, I restored the vote. Reading **Prof. Pepperwinkle** ’s final posts I’d feel “truth” and might have unvoted again. But I was in bed. First of all, thank you **septimus** for posting in non-verse. One more poetry post and I would have voted for you— Imp of the Perverse, be damned! I don’t think it is a silly idea that a close vote puts pressure. If a Scum player is possibly going to be lynched, it does put pressure on his/her buddies. It also puts pressure on Town players to try and do the right thing. Pressure is a key to this game, it seems to me. Clarify two things for me: 1. Did you unvote **Professor Pepperwinkle** because you thought **Precambrianmollusc** was wrong or Scummy to make a self-preservation vote? Or did you unvote to put on the pressure? 2. Are you saying that you believe you would have felt the “truth” had you read **Professor Pepperwinkle** ’s final posts (and not been in bed)? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/166 "2016-02-22T17:23:32Z")
BTW, I will very seldom be around for the 4 PM EDT End-of-Day. I am a nightowl, but that’s 4 A.M. my time. Please consider this when making last-minute claims, etc. > [@Biotop](#): > > Clarify two things for me: > > 1. Did you unvote **Professor Pepperwinkle** because you thought **Precambrianmollusc** was wrong or Scummy to make a self-preservation vote? Or did you unvote to put on the pressure? > > 2. Are you saying that you believe you would have felt the “truth” had you read **Professor Pepperwinkle** ’s final posts (and not been in bed)? It did seem _slightly_ Scummy to make the self-preservation vote, but I unvoted just to create a tie. I had a vague, possibly foolish, hope that Scum might expose themselves to cope with a close vote. I hoped to guess, during the remaining time, where best to move my vote, but come up with nothing but revoting the Prof. When I woke up, I scanned the thread from where I left off and felt Prof’s protests were sincere. I can’t be sure but likely would have unvoted if I’d read these _before_ the EOD. Recall in my previous game here, TexCat and I were nearly tied for the Lynch Day 1. I suddenly got a (correct) impression that TexCat was also Town, and unvoted her … leading to my own doom. I am _not_ a good scumhunter. Maybe by Day 3 I’ll have a strong hunch, but certainly not on Day 1. Posting random bits of verse was as good as anything I could contribute. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/167 "2016-02-22T18:12:49Z")
Timeline at End of Day (2-18-16) All times EST: 6:25am: (#113) **Precambrianmollusc** unvotes\*\* Mahaloth\*\* and votes for **Professor Pepperwinkle** as a self-preservation vote. He could have voted for **Fair Rarity** , but chose **Prof. Pepperwinkle** seemingly as a random choice of the two. 8:25am: (#114) **septimus** unvotes **Prof. Pepperwinkle** as a response, he later says (#164), to **PMC** ’s self-preservtion vote. I don’t know what the raven poem thing was about. 9:05am to 10:06am: (#115-#118) **Johnny Bravo** and I squabble over whether Scum always lie. I end up clocking in 7 minutes late at work because I was sitting out in the car responding on my phone. 10:11am: (#119) sachertorte posts the vote count, showing a threeway tie between P **rof. Pepperwinkle** , **Precambrianmollusc** , and **Fair Rarity**. 11:28am (#120) **septimus** revotes **Professor Pepperwinkle** and goes to bed. 11:52am (#121) \*\*Prof. P \*\*unvotes **Kimble** and chooses **PCM** over **Fair Rarity** for his own self-preservation vote. “Right back atcha, pal.” 12:08pm: (#122) \*\* Prof. Pepperwinkle \*\*encourages others to vote for **PCM**. “Ties are bad.” 12:08-1:16pm (#123-126) **Johnny Bravo** and **Professor P.** argue over “contextual lies.” **Professor Pepperwinkle** calls **Johnny Bravo** ’s vote on me a “throwaway.” **Johnny** disagrees and says this makes him more likely to want to vote for the\*\* Professor\*\*, not **PCM**. 2:49 to 3:04pm (#127-128) **Kimble** and **TexCat** both pop in to say they are OK with the votes as they are. 3:51: (#129)\*\* The suicide vote.\*\* **Professor Pepperwinkle,** with 9 minutes to go until possible EOD, makes a vote almost sure to kill him. I don’t understand what happened between **Professor Pepperwinkle** ’s 11:52 vote on\*\* PCM\*\* and his decision to die four hours later. The **Professor** ’s response is unclear in my opinion. He seems to think \*\*PCM \*\*is also Town, and either does not think to vote for **Fair Rarity** or perhaps has just become exasperated. 4:01pm: (#130) **Professor Pepperwinkle** chides **snfaulkner** “NOW do you think I am Town?" 4:05-408pm: (#131-132) **Kimble** and **Johnny Bravo** discuss whether they can still discuss. 4:17pm: (#133) sachertorte says the Day is still on and discussion and voting is still allowed. 4:20-4:25pm: (#134-135) **Kimble** asks **Professor Pepperwinkle** about his vote on **Kimble**. **Professor Pepperwinkle** says he knows \*\*Kimble \*\*is already voting for **PCM**. 4:41: (#136) I go to the breakroom for my half hour lunch and read the thread. I try and talk\*\* Professor Pepperwinkle\*\* out of his suicide. I should have tried much harder. I couldn’t understand why he would do what he was doing if Town. Maybe he wanted us to vote for\*\* PCM\*\* and was Scum? That didn’t seem right, but I had no intention of voting for **PCM** because I had a slight Town read on **PCM**. There is only a half hour for lunch at my job. Stupid. 4:57: (#137) sachertorte announces EOD. **Professor** **Pepperwinkle** dies. 5:08: (#138) **snfaulkner** conveniently shows up 11 minutes too late.” Sorry Prof.” +++++ And there it is. Besides myself, I only know that \*\*Kimble \*\*and **Johnny Bravo** were online after the Professor suicide announcement but before actual EOD, and neither tried to prevent it. Can either of them explain why? And if anyone else was online and did not post, could you also let us know your thinking. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/168 "2016-02-22T18:28:27Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Besides myself, I only know that \*\*Kimble \*\*and **Johnny Bravo** were online after the Professor suicide announcement but before actual EOD, and neither tried to prevent it. Can either of them explain why? Suiciding is anti-town at best and are often desperation scum moves intended to make people rethink their votes. “Oh, this seems super sincere and frustrated, let’s rethink.” When he did the whole “to the last I grapple with thee; from Hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee” thing about my vote I was moderately convinced that it was the latter. Regardless, a player who is suiciding, especially on Day One, is a player who should probably be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/169 "2016-02-22T18:46:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Suiciding is anti-town at best and are often desperation scum moves intended to make people rethink their votes. “Oh, this seems super sincere and frustrated, let’s rethink.” Right. But _the vote was tied._ Why “desperation” when there was a 50% random chance to get out of the lynch with fate, but an almost certain path to death with only nine minutes possibly left by going the other way? I understand why it was confusing to us all. The play made no sense. I just wish we could have had this discussion then, and not now. \*\*Professor P. \*\* is a better player than that. ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/170 "2016-02-22T21:47:46Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Besides myself, I only know that \*\*Kimble \*\*and **Johnny Bravo** were online after the Professor suicide announcement but before actual EOD, and neither tried to prevent it. Can either of them explain why? And if anyone else was online and did not post, could you also let us know your thinking. Thanks. After his suicide announcement, I thought that I would have to first convince the Professor that I wasn’t scum before I convinced him to not kill himself. I’m at work (and only sporadically at a PC) at 4pm EST and often distracted, so I couldn’t think of a good way to convince him I was town once he confirmed that he knew I hadn’t been voting for him. In retrospect, I should’ve replied like Biotop did. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/171 "2016-02-22T22:30:28Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > 5:08: (#138) **snfaulkner** conveniently shows up 11 minutes too late.” Sorry Prof.” Let it be known (if it isn’t already) that 5:08 EST is 2:08 PST and I get into the office at 2:00-2:15 PST most days (Sun-Thurs). And while I have usually absolutely nothing to do at work all day, I am usually busiest the instant I walk in (checking emails, talking to previous shift about what is/might be going on before they leave, etc…) By 4pm, when my boss leaves, I’m usually totally free for the rest of the night (until 10pm) to play the game. As such, I few other work things to attend to today before I can dive into the game today… ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/172 "2016-02-23T00:12:50Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Timeline at End of Day (2-18-16) All times EST:…snip **Biotop** , another great post. Posts like this show the effort you put into these games. Efforts that, to me at least, give me a strong townie vibe. HOWEVER, you’ve fooled me with this before. Completely fooled me right down to the wire last game. I’m not going to vote for you on this basis (yet). But I do, and might always, have a perma-FoS on you. Now then, I can’t figure out **Prof’s** suicide. He was very clearly vanilla town. Is there any power role that might have had a power to give him any info to make/suggest that he do such a seemingly foolish thing? On Day1, no less? A quick scan thru [mafiascum.net](http://mafiascum.net) didn’t really get me anywhere. My only conclusion is he made a panicked, but foolish attempt at a late bandwagon on **PCM**. Next issue, why was **Mahaloth** night killed? As **Johnny Bravo** said, it might be because **Mahaloth** was deemed experienced. With not much to go on Day1, I suppose that is possible. However, when we look at the voting record, who do we see involved with him(her)? > [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > In my other game, you vote for me, I vote for you kind of thing happened EVERY round. Plus since I’m the newb HERE, I find it suspicious when someone votes for the newb, having seen it done to other people in my other forum. I don’t ALWAYS vote for people who vote for me, but it felt right. Here we see, a fairly lurky **Fair Rarity** , still feeling things out. Already admitting that, with nothing to go on, it just “felt right” to vote for **Mahaloth** **Mahaloth** is then Night killed. Then we see this today… > [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > \*\*Vote snfaulkner \*\* > > Because you ended up with zero vote last round. Yet another vote with even LESS grounding than yesterDay’s. This is starting to smell all a bit scummy to me. I have yet to go through different scenarios with other people yet, so I may change my mind later. But for now… \*\* VOTE Fair Rarity\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/173 "2016-02-23T01:40:06Z")
I may still be feeling my way around these rules, but I do know better than to vote to lynch someone and then night kill them (assuming I even have a night power), ESPECIALLY on day 1 when there is nothing to make me suspicious of anyone enough to really want them gone. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/174 "2016-02-23T02:17:02Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I may still be feeling my way around these rules, but I do know better than to vote to lynch someone and then night kill them (assuming I even have a night power), ESPECIALLY on day 1 when there is nothing to make me suspicious of anyone enough to really want them gone. Given we still have a few more days until EoD, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, for now… \*\* UNVOTE Fair Rarity\*\* But you are on my FoS list until we get any more information. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/175 "2016-02-23T15:12:05Z")
1 - **Biotop** (Johnny Bravo[160]) 1 - **TexCat** (septimus[164]) 0 - **Fair Rarity** ([del]snfaulkner[172][174][/del]) 2 - **septimus** (Kimble[158], TexCat[162]) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/176 "2016-02-23T15:29:01Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I just wish we could have had this discussion then, and not now. \*\*Professor P. \*\* is a better player than that. No, that discussion would have been poisonous. There’s nothing to be gained from talking a player down from a suicide, except that it provides cover for a scum to gain cred by white knighting an anti-town player and later saying, “look everyone, I tried to dissuade him.” Which, frankly, is what you’re doing now. So why would a scum Biotop try and talk down a suiciding town Prof. P? He would do it if PCM was also town, because he **doesn’t care** which of them gets lynched. So another reason to lynch Biotop. If he flips scum, it’s a strong indicator that PCM is town. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/177 "2016-02-23T16:24:52Z")
Yesterday Mahaloth voted for snfaulkner, Prof.P (very briefly), and ended with his vote on Rarity. Today, snfaulkner and Rarity come out voting for each other on pretty flimsy reasoning. And snfaulkner then unvotes almost as quickly. Something smells like scum here. **unvote Septimus vote snfaulkner** ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/178 "2016-02-23T16:35:41Z")
\*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*, I am not sure what I could do other than die and flip Town for you to admit you might be wrong. I keep trying to encourage players to post. Right now the moderator has posted more than about half the players. We killed the most prolific poster on Day 1. I did a poor job of trying to convince \*\*Prof P. \*\* not to kill himself, but I did try. It was the right move to make IMHO, just handled wrongly. When I ask you why YOU did nothing, you tell me you thought \*\*PP \*\*was Scum trying to create sympathy. When I further ask you how you could think that considering there was a tie when the very late Day suicide occurred, you have no answer. I am trying to encourage participation because I don’t know who to vote for this round. I do not think there is a case for \*\*PCM \*\* and have explained why. All Scum need to do, if we let them, is to sit back and do nothing… sort of like what you did at the EOD. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/179 "2016-02-23T16:55:34Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > When I ask you why YOU did nothing, you tell me you thought \*\*PP \*\*was Scum trying to create sympathy. When I further ask you how you could think that considering there was a tie when the very late Day suicide occurred, you have no answer. None of this is an accurate representation of what I’ve said so far. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735/180 "2016-02-23T17:33:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Suiciding is anti-town at best and are often desperation scum moves intended to make people rethink their votes. “Oh, this seems super sincere and frustrated, let’s rethink.” > > When he did the whole “to the last I grapple with thee; from Hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee” thing about my vote I was moderately convinced that it was the latter. > > Regardless, a player who is suiciding, especially on Day One, is a player who should probably be lynched. What’s part of “moderately convinced” am I misunderstanding. And where is your response when I noted that there was a tie and thus your scenario made little sense. I see no response to that still. SPEAKS VOLUMES, I say… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpletown-mafia-the-third/745735.md?page=10)