# Simpsons 11/19- "Moe 'n' a Lisa" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 20, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155 "2006-11-20T15:33:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/21 "2006-11-20T21:14:00Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] Yeah, especially since I have no idea who those guys are, though Chabon’s stuff looks right up my alley. [/QUOTE] from the ep, I’m sure you picked up that Franzen wrote The Corrections. Chabon is noted for Wonder Boys (a movie) and The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay (a Pulitzer) among others. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/22 "2006-11-20T21:41:48Z")
[QUOTE=Telemark] I like that they went out and got J. K. Simmons to voice the J Jonah Jameson character, although I still always see him as the shrink on Law and Order. [/QUOTE] I can’t believe I forgot to check the credits for that! I love JKS as JJJ! By the way, at some point during the episode - I think while the writers were fighting - there was a piece of music I didn’t recognize, and I’m sure it was a movie reference of some kind. Does anybody know what I’m thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/23 "2006-11-20T21:53:49Z")
It was okay, but mostly a retread of earlier episodes, including “Mo saves Maggie”, “Mo visits his old bartending school”, “Flaming Mo”… stick these and some others (including the poetry slam part of that episode where Lisa posed as a college student) in a blender and you’ll get this one. “Flaming Mo” especially, where Mo takes credit for the work of a Simpson, who then gets all upset about it. Still better than _Family Guy_ though. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/24 "2006-11-20T22:35:41Z")
[QUOTE=whole bean] Chabon is noted for Wonder Boys (a movie) [/QUOTE] The Wonder Boys starred Tobey Maguire, later to become Spider-Man, which also had J. K. Simmons! Coincidence? I think not! ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/25 "2006-11-20T22:37:53Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] I can’t believe I forgot to check the credits for that! I love JKS as JJJ! By the way, at some point during the episode - I think while the writers were fighting - there was a piece of music I didn’t recognize, and I’m sure it was a movie reference of some kind. Does anybody know what I’m thinking of? [/QUOTE] Was it the “Rocky and Bullwinkle” theme when the old guy flew down off the diving platform using the folds in his skin? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/26 "2006-11-20T22:58:48Z")
[QUOTE=BobT] Was it the “Rocky and Bullwinkle” theme when the old guy flew down off the diving platform using the folds in his skin? [/QUOTE] Sir, I’m insulted. Of course I recognized the Rocky and Bullwinkle theme. 😉 It was later in the episode, and I’m wondering if it was a Wonder Boys reference. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/27 "2006-11-20T23:04:14Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] By the way, at some point during the episode - I think while the writers were fighting - there was a piece of music I didn’t recognize, and I’m sure it was a movie reference of some kind. Does anybody know what I’m thinking of? [/QUOTE] There was a bit of bombastic music during a fight scene, which was composed by Alf Clausen and used in a number of _Simpsons_ episodes. ---
**Author:** ![JacksonRoykirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e79b87/32.png) [@JacksonRoykirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacksonRoykirk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/28 "2006-11-20T23:24:00Z")
[QUOTE=Telemark] \ I like that they went out and got J. K. Simmons to voice the J Jonah Jameson character, although I still always see him as the shrink on Law and Order. [/QUOTE] I like Simmons, too. And though I’ve seen him on “Law and Order,” the role I most associate with him is Vern Schillinger from “Oz.” One of the most chilling characters to appear on TV. By the way, has anyone else noticed the “Law and Order” franchise is loaded with actors who also were “Oz” regulars? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/29 "2006-11-20T23:47:29Z")
Spotted in the blink of an eye: “The first five rows will get wit.” I have to admit, that made me laugh. Not a bad ep overall. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/30 "2006-11-21T00:03:20Z")
> [@](#): > > The Wonder Boys starred Tobey Maguire, later to become Spider-Man, which also had J. K. Simmons! Coincidence? I think not! Not to mention that Michael Chabon was a screenwriter on _Spider-Man 2_. ---
**Author:** ![KJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b2d939/32.png) [@KJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KJ)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/31 "2006-11-21T07:41:29Z")
I was able to get some enjoyment from this episode, but overall it’s another “meh” episode. I disagree with those that say it’s funnier than Family Guy. My biggest complaint: Didn’t they _just_ do this exact same plot, when Homer was taking credit for Marge’s work? Aren’t they going back to the same well a little too soon? That episode was less than a year ago. Also, did anybody else notice the animation glitch? [Look at this GIF I made](http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/681/simpsonsbuggr6.gif), and pay attention to the geese on the right. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/32 "2006-11-21T11:49:42Z")
> [@](#): > > The Chabon/Franzen stuff was funny (it helps that I basically consider them the same person). Really? I see their writing as entirely different in both themes and style. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/33 "2006-11-21T12:51:44Z")
[QUOTE=Shoshana] Really? I see their writing as entirely different in both themes and style. [/QUOTE] There are probably three kinds of folks here. 1. People who have never heard of either of them and didn’t get any of the jokes. 2. People who have actually read them and feel as you do. 3. People like me who know who they are and pretty much think of them as two guys of the same age who both have the cachè of being “Capital N Novelists” . They write about boring troubled middle-age guys and their fucked up relationships and write blurbs for each other’s book jackets and spend their free time jerking their freinds off in the New York Times Book Review. I doubt that the jokes were written for either ‘1’ or ‘2’. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/34 "2006-11-21T14:39:42Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] They write about boring troubled middle-age guys and their fucked up relationships and write blurbs for each other’s book jackets and spend their free time jerking their freinds off in the New York Times Book Review. [/QUOTE] Actually, this bit reminded me of the “logrolling in our time” page from the old Spy Magazine. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/35 "2006-11-22T13:23:43Z")
This has been a good season so far. Anyone who is still complaining just does not like the Simpsons anymore. Admit it. I laughed out loud several times at this episode, and saved it to my DVR to watch again later, something that’s almost unheard of outside the very best _South Park_ episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/36 "2006-11-22T16:34:35Z")
[QUOTE=JacksonRoykirk] I like Simmons, too. And though I’ve seen him on “Law and Order,” the role I most associate with him is Vern Schillinger from “Oz.” One of the most chilling characters to appear on TV. [/QUOTE] I’ve never seen Oz, but I remember when I recognized him as Benny Southstreet in the 1992 Broadway revival of “Guys and Dolls”! A multi-talented fellow, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/37 "2006-11-22T16:57:29Z")
[QUOTE=Telemark] I’ve never seen Oz, but I remember when I recognized him as Benny Southstreet in the 1992 Broadway revival of “Guys and Dolls”! A multi-talented fellow, for sure. [/QUOTE] Heh, I just watched _The Ladykillers_ (the Coen Brothers version) last night and spent much of the movie wondering where I’d seen the guy who plays “Garth Pancake” before. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/38 "2006-11-22T20:25:11Z")
[QUOTE=KJ] …Also, did anybody else notice the animation glitch? [Look at this GIF I made](http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/681/simpsonsbuggr6.gif), and pay attention to the geese on the right. [/QUOTE] Don’t see anything wrong. What am I missing with the geese? My biggest laugh was Moe wiping his filthy hands on Tom Wolfe’s immaculate white suit. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/39 "2006-11-22T20:29:32Z")
[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir] Don’t see anything wrong. What am I missing with the geese? [/QUOTE] The one in the foreground passes behind the one in the background. **KJ** must have eagle eyes to have spotted that. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155/40 "2006-11-23T00:18:20Z")
[QUOTE=Biffy the Elephant Shrew] The one in the foreground passes behind the one in the background. **KJ** must have eagle eyes to have spotted that. [/QUOTE] Shit! That ruined the episode for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-11-19-moe-n-a-lisa/381155.md?page=1)