# Simpsons 12/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 12, 2005, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189 "2005-12-12T01:23:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/41 "2005-12-12T19:30:26Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Seth recently told the Onion AV Club, “They [the Simpsons writers] hate our guts.” He seems bemused by it, so good for him on that front. I’d always assumed it was friendly ribbing, but by this point it seems clear that it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/42 "2005-12-12T19:48:19Z")
of course that brings up the next question, inspired by the animosity between these two shows… (i still think it was good natured ribbing, but i could be wrong…) who would win in a fight? Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin Bart or Stewie (no, Batman is not eligible, even if he _is_ prepared 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/43 "2005-12-12T19:51:10Z")
\ But Batman’s a scientist! \ ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/44 "2005-12-12T19:53:56Z")
Yeah, I’m still not seeing the genuine animosity, only good-natured ribbing. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/45 "2005-12-12T19:55:10Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > of course that brings up the next question, inspired by the animosity between these two shows… > (i still think it was good natured ribbing, but i could be wrong…) > > who would win in a fight? > > Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin > Bart or Stewie > > (no, Batman is not eligible, even if he _is_ prepared 😉 ) I’ll give Homer the edge, just in the ability to take unlimited punishment. But Stewie is an “Evil Genius”[sup]TM[/sup] and Bart is nothing but a mischievious troublemaking below average 10 year old. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/46 "2005-12-12T20:04:05Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > Yeah, I’m still not seeing the genuine animosity, only good-natured ribbing. You’ve got MacFarlane saying up there that the Simpsons writers hate their guts. I’ve heard Mike Reiss from The Simpsons say pretty much the same thing - that they consider Family Guy a ripoff. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/47 "2005-12-12T20:04:55Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > I’ll give Homer the edge, just in the ability to take unlimited punishment. > But Stewie is an “Evil Genius”[sup]TM[/sup] and Bart is nothing but a mischievious troublemaking below average 10 year old. true, all Homer needs to do is whack Peter in the knee, Peter will proceed to grab his knee and to that “FFFFFF, ahhhh, FFFFFF, ahhh” gag, giving Homer time to thwack peter in the skull with a board with a nail in it… winner; Homer how about a Duff beer Vs. Pawtucket Patriot beer drinking contest? 😉 (okay, okay, MacTech, enough contests… 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/48 "2005-12-12T20:11:22Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > true, all Homer needs to do is whack Peter in the knee, Peter will proceed to grab his knee and to that “FFFFFF, ahhhh, FFFFFF, ahhh” gag, giving Homer time to thwack peter in the skull with a board with a nail in it… > > winner; Homer > > how about a Duff beer Vs. Pawtucket Patriot beer drinking contest? 😉 > > (okay, okay, MacTech, enough contests… 😉 ) Well Duff appears to be a generic Simpson’s world Bud/Miller Pawtucket Patriot appears to at least be a Samual Adams like Beer. I give the taste edge to Pawtucket on this weak line of reasoning. I’ll go with Homer & friends over Peter and Friends for “Consuming Mass Quantities.” Of course knocking Barney off the wagon first is the key to Moe’s Marauders Victory. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/49 "2005-12-12T21:21:04Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Well Duff appears to be a generic Simpson’s world Bud/Miller > Pawtucket Patriot appears to at least be a Samual Adams like Beer. > > I give the taste edge to Pawtucket on this weak line of reasoning. I always figured Pawtucket Pat for being a nasty, hairy New England staple like Narragansett. Seems to fit Peter much better. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/50 "2005-12-12T21:27:37Z")
Joe’s a better shot and a better cop than Wiggum and the boys. Plus _Family Guy_’s willing to take on harder issues than _Simpsons_. _Family Guy_’s dealt with coke addiction, has a reoccuring pedophile character, and people are routinely killed on-screen. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/51 "2005-12-12T21:31:10Z")
I think Simpsons wins in the Asian category. Akira could definitely take Trisha Takanawa, and then Apu would kill him with a rancid hot dog. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/52 "2005-12-12T21:31:24Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > I always figured Pawtucket Pat for being a nasty, hairy New England staple like Narragansett. Seems to fit Peter much better. It’s the “Patriot” that made me equate it to Sam’s. No matter what, Duff is suppose to be a poor Quality Controlled Mass Produced beer or “Swill”. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/53 "2005-12-12T22:40:22Z")
Wasn’t there some animosity between Groening and Fox over the perceived attention the Family Guy was getting at the expense of Futurama? Not sure if that’s true or not but I thought I would mention it. Great episode. Kelsey Grammer has some pipes! As much as I like the Family Guy, imho its best episodes come nowhere close to the Simpsons at its peak. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/54 "2005-12-12T23:48:37Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > I’ll give Homer the edge, just in the ability to take unlimited punishment. > But Stewie is an “Evil Genius”[sup]TM[/sup] and Bart is nothing but a mischievious troublemaking below average 10 year old. Yeah, but Stewie is going to need time to plan and build and whatnot. He tends to overthink things or rely upon that evil super genius staple: the overly complicated plan. Bart tends not to think at all, but simplicity is helpful in struggles like this. I give the battle to spikey head over football head. Not to hijack things completely, but I remember from the Clerks cartoon commentary that the crew there weren’t big fans of Seth McFarlane either. Maybe the guy’s just a major tool. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/55 "2005-12-13T00:10:13Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Yeah, but Stewie is going to need time to plan and build and whatnot. He tends to overthink things or rely upon that evil super genius staple: the overly complicated plan. Bart tends not to think at all, but simplicity is helpful in struggles like this. I give the battle to spikey head over football head. Yeah, but Stewie often has an assortment of “toys” around with which to wreak havok, like the “Emission Impossible” episode. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/56 "2005-12-13T01:02:18Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > true, all Homer needs to do is whack Peter in the knee, Peter will proceed to grab his knee and to that “FFFFFF, ahhhh, FFFFFF, ahhh” gag, giving Homer time to thwack peter in the skull with a board with a nail in it… > > winner; Homer I highly doubt Homer could win. I mean, Peter did go toe to toe with that chicken, twice. Homer couldn’t do that. Hell, Homer can’t even run past a couple of houses. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/57 "2005-12-13T01:03:44Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I highly doubt Homer could win. I mean, Peter did go toe to toe with that chicken, twice. Homer couldn’t do that. Hell, Homer can’t even run past a couple of houses. Homer held his ground quite well against Bart’s “Big Brother” in that showdown at the aquarium. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/58 "2005-12-13T02:10:26Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Homer held his ground quite well against Bart’s “Big Brother” in that showdown at the aquarium. But he also got winded trying to run after Snake after he stole Marge’s purse. He has no endurance whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/59 "2005-12-13T02:13:48Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > He has no endurance whatsoever. Unless it’s funny, but, yeah, he sweats when he eats. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189/60 "2005-12-13T02:18:24Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Homer held his ground quite well against Bart’s “Big Brother” in that showdown at the aquarium. Let’s not forget his boxing career, he can take a lot of abuse. Peter might be a better fighter and may even carry more weight, but Homer should be able to withstand a non-boxer until he exhausts himself. Jim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-12-11/335189.md?page=4)