# Simpsons character to come out of closet - any guesses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 28, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191 "2004-07-28T00:25:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/161 "2005-02-21T01:17:26Z")
When was Selma married 3 times? OTTOMH (some of these may have been Patty) Sideshow Bob, Troy McClure, and - that’s it. IIRC Skinner proposed to her, but she turned him down. Re The Twist Wow. What a way to weasle. So the Patty/Veronica kiss shown earlier was not a lesbian kiss. Plus, none of the characters seemed to realize the contradiction between Patty’s demanding acceptance and her rejecting somebody based entirely on gender. She didn’t say ‘You lied to me!’, or ‘I feel hurt and betrayed!’. She said “I like girls.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/162 "2005-02-21T01:21:47Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > When was Selma married 3 times? OTTOMH (some of these may have been Patty) Sideshow Bob, Troy McClure, and - that’s it. IIRC Skinner proposed to her, but she turned him down. When Apu is about to be deported, he proposes to her out of desperation. She says “My name’s already Selma Bouvier-Terwilliger-Hutz-McClure.” That’s the only reference to her marrying Lionel Hutz, but they appear to have actually remembered the joke, which impressed me. As did the episode in general, actually, I was rather thrilled despite the weaseling. ---
**Author:** ![Katisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bcef8e/32.png) [@Katisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katisha)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/163 "2005-02-21T01:23:48Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > When was Selma married 3 times? OTTOMH (some of these may have been Patty) Sideshow Bob, Troy McClure, and - that’s it. IIRC Skinner proposed to her, but she turned him down. Didn’t Skinner propose to Patty? I do recall that in one old ep Selma gave her full name as “Selma Bouvier Terwilliger Hutz McClure,” at any rate… ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/164 "2005-02-21T01:27:38Z")
> [@Katisha](#): > > Didn’t Skinner propose to Patty? As I said in the post in question, I wasn’t sure. Despite being a devoted Simpsons fan, I’ve never been able to remember which is Patty and which is Selma. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/165 "2005-02-21T01:28:23Z")
That was pretty good, although I don’t know why the weaseling out at the end. After all, the ability to marry is what seperates us from the animals! (except the weasel). Selma and Sideshow Bob also saved it for marriage, and that one didn’t turn out well either. Marge, planning the wedding: So, the wedding dress–errr–what color—uhm— Selma, abruptly: WHITE! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/166 "2005-02-21T01:29:21Z")
Worst. Cop out. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/167 "2005-02-21T01:34:44Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Worst. Cop out. Ever. Nah. For me that was a season finale of Beauty And The Beast. There was much buzz on whether Vincent would kiss whatsername or not. After rushing across the city to be with eachother, they embrace and- There’s a freezeframe and semitransparent silhouettes leave their bodies and kiss. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/168 "2005-02-21T02:47:20Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Worst. Cop out. Ever. What, did they need to have the whole family get a tattoo that said “gay marriage is great?” They said what they wanted to say in an unusually direct manner and also decided to work some comedy into their sitcom. I felt bad for Patty, actually, which impressed me as far as the way they did the rest of the episode. This does fulfill the weekly “Worst. Something. Ever.” quota, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/169 "2005-02-21T02:49:32Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What, did they need to have the whole family get a tattoo that said “gay marriage is great?” They could have just let her actually get married. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/170 "2005-02-21T02:52:52Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > They could have just let her actually get married. Dude, it’s a sitcom! Whenever a regular character on a sitcom is going to get married, 95% of the time something stops the marriage at the last minute. It’s just one of the Rules of TV. Besides, would _you_ go through with a marriage to someone who turned out to be a different sex from what you thought they were? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/171 "2005-02-21T02:58:31Z")
Right, and they weren’t going to break Patty and Selma up, especially with yet another marriage. The ending was not quite the cop-out it could’ve been. They had a chance to get Patty together with the guy, and instead, what’d they do? “I LIKE GIRLS!” > [@Doc Cathode](#): > > So the Patty/Veronica kiss shown earlier was not a lesbian kiss. Patty made out with a woman during Marge’s remeniscence. > [@](#): > > Plus, none of the characters seemed to realize the contradiction between Patty’s demanding acceptance and her rejecting somebody based entirely on gender. She didn’t say ‘You lied to me!’, or ‘I feel hurt and betrayed!’. She said “I like girls.” There’s no contradiction between demanding acceptance of your sexuality and then refusing to marry someone who is of the gender you’re not attracted to. And as making statements goes, “I LIKE GIRLS” beats “You lied.” ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/172 "2005-02-21T03:04:27Z")
> [@Thudlow Boink](#): > > Dude, it’s a sitcom! Whenever a regular character on a sitcom is going to get married, 95% of the time something stops the marriage at the last minute. It’s just one of the Rules of TV. :smack: No! Really? > [@](#): > > Besides, would _you_ go through with a marriage to someone who turned out to be a different sex from what you thought they were? They could have had “Veronica” be an actual woman. Oh well, at least it’s fodder for future jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/173 "2005-02-21T03:08:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Patty made out with a woman during Marge’s remeniscence. Or so you’d think. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/174 "2005-02-21T03:35:27Z")
Did anyone try the website mentioned in the ad? I was going to, but now I don’t remember the domain. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/175 "2005-02-21T03:38:51Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Did anyone try the website mentioned in the ad? I was going to, but now I don’t remember the domain. It’s [real.](http://springfieldisforgayloversofmarriage.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/176 "2005-02-21T03:40:31Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Did anyone try the website mentioned in the ad? I was going to, but now I don’t remember the domain. [See for yourself](http://www.springfieldisforgayloversofmarriage.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/177 "2005-02-21T03:43:18Z")
Not much to click on, though. Unlike [the “What Badgers Eat” website](http://www.whatbadgerseat.com). ---
**Author:** ![Princess\_Clara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@Princess\_Clara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princess_Clara)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/178 "2005-02-21T03:53:28Z")
I like the Homer on Homer action the best. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/179 "2005-02-21T04:00:40Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Not much to click on, though. > > Unlike [the “What Badgers Eat” website](http://www.whatbadgerseat.com). Yes, but [skinnerinablender.com](http://skinnerinablender.com) _doesn’t_ work, and none of the others mentioned in that episode did. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191/180 "2005-02-21T04:26:14Z")
I think the hayseed at the beginning of the show was based on Huell Howser, who does a program called “California’s Gold” which airs on PBS stations in California, and in which he visits various towns in the state. BTW, there was a news story on ABC on Friday about the controversy about the show. As you’d expect, a lot of Christian groups were unhappy, but one minister pointed out that the show has more religion in it than virtually all entertainment shows (and one of the few born-again Christians in Ned Flanders). But I thought the parental discretion warning was odd. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/simpsons-character-to-come-out-of-closet-any-guesses/257191.md?page=10)