# Since I can't be honest in GD . . . **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768 "2009-05-27T02:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/621 "2009-05-31T03:27:25Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > I am, in fact, working right now. > > And I haven’t seen a lot of nonesense here, just solid deduction and reasoning, which you seem to be ignoring, such as **bosstones** excellent post right here. You can hardly call SSM a right, if it doesn’t exist in 95% of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/622 "2009-05-31T03:32:27Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Once again, your opinion about American politics is blindingly irrelevant. You know who’s smarter than you by at least 30 IQ points? Me. And probably Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/623 "2009-05-31T03:42:57Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You know who’s smarter than you by at least 30 IQ points? > Me. > > And probably Clinton. I know you are, but what am I? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/624 "2009-05-31T03:44:19Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > You can hardly call SSM a right, if it doesn’t exist in 95% of the country. ITT: fail at basic math. pretty sad. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/625 "2009-05-31T03:49:49Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > ITT: fail at basic math. pretty sad. Grow up. I stand by 95%, by population. If you can demonstrate otherwise, let’s see it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/626 "2009-05-31T03:51:38Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > You can hardly call SSM a right, if it doesn’t exist in 95% of the country. That just means 90% (not 95%) of the country is currently violating basic human rights held to be inalienable by our forefathers. If a state outlawed all gun ownership, would you shrug and say “It’s not a right in that state”? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/627 "2009-05-31T03:58:12Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > That just means 90% (not 95%) of the country is currently violating basic human rights held to be inalienable by our forefathers. Cite, please, that our forefathers thought that gay marriage was a basic human right? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/628 "2009-05-31T03:59:16Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Cite, please, that our forefathers thought that gay marriage was a basic human right? [Top o’ the page, dippy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11194976&postcount=601) Unless you’d like to try to argue that gay people aren’t really full citizens and don’t deserve full rights. Frankly, I don’t think you have a dog in this fight. You just see something the liberals are all het up about and you take the opposite stance. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/629 "2009-05-31T04:01:10Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I know you are, but what am I? :rolleyes: I mispoke, obviously. 40 points. [sub]Clinton, too[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/630 "2009-05-31T04:02:17Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Cite, please, that our forefathers thought that gay marriage was a basic human right? Not that one exactly. But right to happiness. Our forefathers also thought that black people should be owned, and only white landowning males should be allowed to vote. As times change, the society must adapt, or wither and die. Would you rather see the USA wither and die than see the rights of gays to be happy upheld? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/631 "2009-05-31T04:12:09Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > [Top o’ the page, dippy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11194976&postcount=601) Unless you’d like to try to argue that gay people aren’t really full citizens and don’t deserve full rights. Trying to use your own post as a “cite” makes you a tool, at best. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/632 "2009-05-31T04:19:22Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Grow up. I stand by 95%, by population. If you can demonstrate otherwise, let’s see it. That’s a pretty stupid way to do percent of gay marriage area. Wouldn’t land area make more sense then population? But considering you can’t back up your opinion without Argumentum ad populum fallacy guess I can’t expect much. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/633 "2009-05-31T04:20:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You know who did well at college? > Clinton. You know who else asked rhetorical questions? Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/634 "2009-05-31T04:33:55Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > That’s a pretty stupid way to do percent of gay marriage area. Wouldn’t land area make more sense then population? > > But considering you can’t back up your opinion without Argumentum ad populum fallacy guess I can’t expect much. Mind, child, that I don’t have to back up anything to you. That said, how do you figure that gay marriage is a right in the United States, when it clearly is not? Not in California, Texas, Florida, Illinois, Ohio, New York, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/635 "2009-05-31T04:41:20Z")
You know who was fond of ignoring inconvenient facts? Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/636 "2009-05-31T04:59:29Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Trying to use your own post as a “cite” makes you a tool, at best. Gosh, I wish I could take credit for the Declaration of Independence. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/637 "2009-05-31T05:03:39Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Mind, child, that I don’t have to back up anything to you. That said, how do you figure that gay marriage is a right in the United States, when it clearly is not? > > Not in California, Texas, Florida, Illinois, Ohio, New York, etc. If you are not going to respond to the SEVERAL efforts to make you understand that the US CONSTITUTION guarantee’s the right to persue happiness, and that the courts have already stated that the right to marry is necessary to that right on occasion, then there is no furrther point in talking to you about it. Are you ignoring it because you have no response, or because you can’t beat it? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/638 "2009-05-31T05:06:31Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > Are you ignoring it because you have no response, or because you can’t beat it? She’s ignoring it because **Carol** ’s not here to argue, just piss off liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/639 "2009-05-31T05:10:58Z")
Is there right to Gay Marraige in Arkansas, for example? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2009, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768/640 "2009-05-31T05:47:16Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Is there right to Gay Marraige in Arkansas, for example? Since it’s a basic right, yes. Just as if Arkansas ruled that black people weren’t allowed marriage, blacks would still have the right to marriage. The fact that they don’t recognize it doesn’t change that; any right, by nature, can be violated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-i-cant-be-honest-in-gd/497768.md?page=33)