Since I can't be honest in GD . . .

Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Loving v. Virginia:

“The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”

The states are merely refusing to recognize an existing right.

14th Amendment.
Your move.

You’re arguing what should be, not what is. Gay marriage is not a right in 95% of the United States.

So it is a right in the other 5%?

No

No, you are just contradicting yourself. First you say there’s no similarity between segregation and a civil union/marriage split because it’s easy for gays to pass as a straight; then you say that “when Fred shows up with John, the cat’s more or less out of the bag”. It’s one or the other.

The simple fact is that someone can’t officially solemnize their relationship without disclosing that the relationship exists. And that they can’t sign up with an institution created for the purpose of discriminating against them without being discriminated against.

Your stupidity cannot be completed as dialed. Please hang up and try again.

Do you have any nonreligious reason to ban gay marriage? Do you believe in banning random things?

The only argument left against it seems to be “it’s a sin!”. Therefor the ban on gay marriage is a violation of separation of church and state, as it’s a policy intent on solely giving one set of religious beliefs state backing, and violating the religious rights of gay couples.

I shall take your lack of reply as agreement of my position.

I’m not talking about rights.

Yes, and the internet has made it even more extreme.

Probably a bit of both.

I don’t need a reason, honey. At least not one I need to explain to the likes of you.

Thanks Carol Stream for taking the heat off of me. :wink: It’s your turn in the barrel my ass is sore. :wink:

You know who else didn’t need to give an explanation?
Clinton.

Don’t feed the troll, who is trolling.

Troll.

Well, Carol Extreme is kind of a pet. So its different.

Like Socks the Cat?

You know who owned him?

Clinton.

AKA you you got none.

Thanks for agreeing my position is correct. :slight_smile:

No, the trolls are the silly little college students, with too much time on their hands, (why aren’t they working?) who spout off nonsense repeatedly.

You know who did well at college?
Clinton.

I am, in fact, working right now.

And I haven’t seen a lot of nonesense here, just solid deduction and reasoning, which you seem to be ignoring, such as bosstones excellent post right here.

Once again, your opinion about American politics is blindingly irrelevant.