# Since Nov: (R) favorability stable. (D) drops **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 17, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872 "2017-05-17T21:59:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/1 "2017-05-17T21:59:30Z")
I call it “the anti-Trump hysterics effect”: > **[Democratic Party Image Dips, GOP Ratings Stable](https://news.gallup.com/poll/210725/democratic-party-image-dips-gop-ratings-stable.aspx)** > > The Democratic Party's favorable rating has dipped to 40%, while the GOP's rating is stable at 39%. Republican Party Favorability: Nov: 39% Today: 39% Democratic Party Favorability: Nov: 45% Today: 40% ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/2 "2017-05-17T22:00:58Z")
That’s funny. The generic congressional ballot is D 49, R 38. See? I can play, too. > **[Health Care Puts House in Play - Public Policy Polling](https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/health-care-puts-house-in-play/)** > > PPP’s new national poll finds that Republicans are facing significant backlash over the health care bill that’s having the effect of firing up Democrats and putting them in position to make major gains in the House next year. Democrats now have a... ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/3 "2017-05-17T22:08:45Z")
What’s the debate? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/4 "2017-05-17T22:17:57Z")
Nice antidote **Jonathan Chance**. Other polls related to how bad Trump is falling are bound to be reflected on the Republicans. The people that are trusting the President less will also distrust the Republicans more if they continue to recklessly defend Trump. > **[Nearly half of U.S. voters support Trump impeachment as President’s approval...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2017/05/17/nearly-half-of-us-voters-support-trump-impeachment-as-presidents-approval-numbers-dip-further-poll-shows/)** > > President Trump’s approval ratings have fallen yet again, while the number of American voters supporting his impeachment is on the rise, a pair of new polls show. Just 42% of U.S. voters said… > [@](#): > > The latest Public Policy Polling survey found that nearly half (48%) of Americans supported impeachment proceedings for Trump, while just 41% said they would not support them. [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-poll-idUSKCN18B2LN](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-poll-idUSKCN18B2LN) > [@](#): > > The May 10-14 poll, which was conducted after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, suggests the public is increasingly uneasy with allegations of meddling by the Russians in the U.S. election. Trump’s dismissal of Comey, who was leading the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s probe into ties between the White House and Russia, intensified calls by Democrats for an independent probe. > > According to the poll, 59 percent of adults, including 41 percent of Republicans and 79 percent of Democrats, agreed that “Congress should launch an independent investigation into communications between the Russian government and the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.” > > That compares with 54 percent of all adults, including 30 percent of Republicans and 81 percent of Democrats, who felt that way when the poll last asked the question in February. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/5 "2017-05-17T22:26:35Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What’s the debate? I asked that question (or made a similar statement) when I reported the thread to the Keepers of the Hamster. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/6 "2017-05-17T22:34:34Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What’s the debate? “Is **Okrahoma** Flailing Desperately To Distract From Trump’s Travails?” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/7 "2017-05-17T22:37:49Z")
The debate is, is there any Category 5 hurricane in which **Okrahoma** can’t find a silver lining that is bad for the Democrat Party? I say no. What say you? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/8 "2017-05-17T22:45:33Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What’s the debate? It’s simple. With Democrats salivating about Republicans’ perceived problems, why is Democratic Party favorability dropping while Republican Party’s is stable? I pointed out in other threads that Democrats’ over-the-top anti-Trump hysterics are going to hurt them. This is one indication of it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/9 "2017-05-17T23:01:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s simple. With Democrats salivating about Republicans’ perceived problems, why is Democratic Party favorability dropping while Republican Party’s is stable? Because they haven’t impeached Trump yet? > [@](#): > > I pointed out in other threads that Democrats’ over-the-top anti-Trump hysterics are going to hurt them. This is one indication of it. Oh. That’s a possibility I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/10 "2017-05-18T01:06:43Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s simple. With Democrats salivating about Republicans’ perceived problems, why is Democratic Party favorability dropping while Republican Party’s is stable? > > I pointed out in other threads that Democrats’ over-the-top anti-Trump hysterics are going to hurt them. This is one indication of it. Serious question: did you actually read your cite? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/11 "2017-05-18T01:17:27Z")
Not really seeing the debate - this is sorta related to Elections. Moved from Great Debates to Elections. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/12 "2017-05-18T01:18:01Z")
Based on polling performed May 3-7. I don’t know if you’ve been following the news, but a few things have happened recently. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/13 "2017-05-18T01:59:01Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I call it “the anti-Trump hysterics effect”: > > [Democratic Party Image Dips, GOP Ratings Stable](http://www.gallup.com/poll/210725/democratic-party-image-dips-gop-ratings-stable.aspx) > > Republican Party Favorability: Nov: 39% Today: 39% > Democratic Party Favorability: Nov: 45% Today: 40% “Today” is misleading. It says “The latest update on the party’s images is based on a **May 3-7** Gallup poll” That’s before Trump had 8 days of hell. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/14 "2017-05-18T03:17:20Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s simple. With Democrats salivating about Republicans’ perceived problems, … Perceived problems? That’s comedy gold right there. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/15 "2017-05-18T04:31:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I call it “the anti-Trump hysterics effect”: > > [Democratic Party Image Dips, GOP Ratings Stable](http://www.gallup.com/poll/210725/democratic-party-image-dips-gop-ratings-stable.aspx) > > Republican Party Favorability: Nov: 39% Today: 39% > Democratic Party Favorability: Nov: 45% Today: 40% Yes but ‘the anti-trump hysterics effect’ would imply that independents and republicans are developing a negative image of the democratic party. As Gallup discusses, the reason the democratic party has seen its approval drop is mostly because democrats are more likely to disapprove. > [@](#): > > The decline in Democratic Party favorability is mostly a result of lower ratings from self-identified Democrats. In November, 83% of Democrats had a positive opinion of the Democratic Party; now, 77% do. Independents are also slightly less positive toward the Democratic Party, while Republicans’ negative views of the opposing party are steady. Democrats -6 Independents -3 Republicans +1 So democrats losing approval of the D party is a big part of it. Independents play a role. Ironically, republicans have a slightly higher opinion of the democratic party compared to Nov 2016 (15% now vs 14% last year). As to why democrats disapprove of the party, I don’t know. I could offer some suggestions: [ul] [li]Feeling like the dems aren’t able to unify the progressive and centrist wings to pass legislation or stop Trump[/li] [li]Feeling the dems are too corporate[/li] [li]Feeling the dems appoint politicians rather than letting the grassroots pick them, like the party apparatus has too much control and ignores the base too much[/li] [li]Feeling the dems are bringing a knife to a gun fight in their dealings with the GOP. The dems refuse to fight dirty to deal with the GOP who fights dirty. [/li] [li]Feeling dems can’t balance social issues with economic issues, they go too far in one direction or the other[/li][/ul] Stuff like that probably plays a role. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/16 "2017-05-18T07:32:33Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I call it “the anti-Trump hysterics effect”: > > [Democratic Party Image Dips, GOP Ratings Stable](http://www.gallup.com/poll/210725/democratic-party-image-dips-gop-ratings-stable.aspx) > > Republican Party Favorability: Nov: 39% Today: 39% > Democratic Party Favorability: Nov: 45% Today: 40% This is too small a fluctuation to be significant. If support for one party rose or dropped more than 10%, that would be something, but things like the 5% you cite here are too small to be considered a meaningful change - (yet.) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/17 "2017-05-18T12:35:52Z")
I’d opine that, considering the unmitigated disasters the Trump admin & congress have been pushing so far (sneaking their health care dismantlement through like thieves in the night, conflicts of interests and nepotism out the wazoo, discussing intelligence reports at golf resorts to name but a few), what’s \*really \*disquieting about that poll is that Republican support hasn’t dropped an inch. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/18 "2017-05-18T12:39:54Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s simple. With Democrats salivating about Republicans’ perceived problems, why is Democratic Party favorability dropping while Republican Party’s is stable? Because a lot of your fellow-countrymen are dumb. Evidence: They elected Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/19 "2017-05-18T12:52:20Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Yes but ‘the anti-trump hysterics effect’ would imply that independents and republicans are developing a negative image of the democratic party. As Gallup discusses, the reason the democratic party has seen its approval drop is mostly because democrats are more likely to disapprove. > > Democrats -6 > Independents -3 > Republicans +1 > > So democrats losing approval of the D party is a big part of it. Independents play a role. Ironically, republicans have a slightly higher opinion of the democratic party compared to Nov 2016 (15% now vs 14% last year). So if the Democrats in Congress took a stronger anti-Trump line, their approval would go up? Nice. And, ironically, the exact opposite of the conclusion drawn by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872/20 "2017-05-18T13:32:27Z")
It is generally a bad idea to cherry pick one poll and assume that it has its finger on the pulse of the nation. However, in this case the OP may have a point. Looking at an aggregate of polls shows us that dems have gone from somewhere around -8 favorable minus unfavorable to -11 since Trump’s inauguration ([link](http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/democratic-party-favorable-rating)). On the other hand, over the same period the Republican party has gone from around -14 to around -20 by the same metric ([more better other link](http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/republican-party-favorable-rating)). There may be something going on other than the “the anti-Trump hysterics effect.” Perhaps the “where’s my dad gummed swamp draining effect.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/since-nov-r-favorability-stable-d-drops/786872.md?page=2)