# Sing a song of sixpence

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**Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\
**Created:** [July 26, 2004, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sing-a-song-of-sixpence/256916 "2004-07-26T11:14:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![sykerli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@sykerli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sykerli)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sing-a-song-of-sixpence/256916/1 "2004-07-26T11:14:40Z")

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Actually the 24-letter alphabet lasted long after the 11th century. In “The Advancement of Learning” (1605) Francis Bacon uses 24 letters, with no J or U. He writes: “two Letters by five placeings will be sufficient for 32 Differences, much more for 24 which is the number of the Alphabet.” But still, I doubt the 24 blackbirds were meant to symbolize the alphabet. If you ask me, it’s just a nonsense rhyme with no particular significance.

[http://fly.hiwaay.net/~paul/bacon/advancement/book6ch1.html](http://fly.hiwaay.net/~paul/bacon/advancement/book6ch1.html)

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**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sing-a-song-of-sixpence/256916/2 "2004-07-26T12:58:53Z")

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Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards, **sykerli** , glad to have you with us.

When you start a thread, it is helpful to others if you provide a link to the Staff Report or Column that you’re commenting on. Saves lots of search time, makes it easier for other readers to get on the same page, etc. No biggie, you’ll know for next time.

In this case: [Straight Dope Staff Report: What’s the nursery rhyme “Sing a Song of Sixpence” all about?](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msixpence.html)

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**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sing-a-song-of-sixpence/256916/3 "2004-07-27T00:10:15Z")

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> An Italian cookbook of 1549, translated into English in 1598, actually contains a recipe “to make pies so that birds may be alive in them and flie out when it is cut up.” This dish is mentioned in 1723 by John Nott, cook to the Duke oF Botton, as a practice of former days, the idea being the birds fly out of the pie and create a diversion. Man, they knew to have fun in the 16th and 17th Centuries.

This was a reply to a previous thread which discussed the origin of the rhyme. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=6503&highlight=sixpence+song](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=6503&highlight=sixpence+song)

The purveyor of the info was none-other than …ta da… **C K Dexter Haven**

To quote Iona and (the late) Peter Opie, editors of The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes,

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> If any particular explanation is required of the rhyme the straightforward one that it is a description of a familiar entertainment is the most probable.