# Sins and Jesus **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 1, 2013, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076 "2013-10-01T09:18:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/21 "2013-10-04T03:27:30Z")
Thank you. That makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Conservian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@Conservian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Conservian)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/22 "2013-10-05T12:25:19Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Not really - most of us atheists here are former Christians, and in my experience, we understand the basics of Christianity way more than most Christians do./QUOTE] > To answer your question, _standard_ Christian theology is that mankind is tainted with Original Sin because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. Sins require a blood sacrifice, and Jesus was the sacrifice that gets us all off the hook for Original Sin, plus whatever other sins we’ve committed. > > An important note is that even if someone could live his whole life without sinning (think of a baby dying), there’s still the Original Sin that requires blood to be spilled. I see very little evidence of and “understanding” or knowledge here that’s grounded in biblical NT Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Conservian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@Conservian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Conservian)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/23 "2013-10-05T12:48:47Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > Thank you. That makes sense. It’s actually a little more specific than that, though Si’s general account is essentially correct. Matthew: “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven…” Divine healing and transformation of the heart - unbeliever to believer - is the work of the Holy Spirit, who is also part of the Godhead. If any man rejects the work (miracles) of the Holy Spirit, how then he possibly experience a “transformation?” ---
**Author:** ![ruben4ruben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8c91f0/32.png) [@ruben4ruben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruben4ruben)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/24 "2013-10-08T11:40:53Z")
I don’t think that the OP really wants to understand. Maybe that’s just me, but i get the feeling he’s not really interested. If you are, why do you ask? What does it matter to you? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/25 "2013-10-08T12:31:48Z")
I wonder why he just died for 36 hours instead of living(which would have been harder for thousands of years, then he could help all the people to believe People would know what was true and what was not. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/26 "2013-10-08T14:32:02Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > One key point that many Christens miss is that while Christ died for our sins and forgave all sins, he added to that in his lifetime by stating that while you are forgiven you should go and sin no more. . . . Darn! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/27 "2013-10-08T14:36:04Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > When Jesus heeled the sick the Pharisees twisted its meaning as proof that Jesus was heeling through the power of Satan. I recall in one of Jack Chick’s comic books, he recounts how the young altar boy [Alberto Rivera](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Rivera) was present at an exorcism in rural Spain, performed by a Catholic priest, where a lot of weird supernatural shit went down. The way Chick tells it, all that stuff really did happen, and the demon really was driven out of the possessed person – but only because Satan was doing it all, just to keep up the false credibility of Catholic priests, who are his servants. Wonder if Chick ever read that verse? ---
**Author:** ![ruben4ruben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8c91f0/32.png) [@ruben4ruben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruben4ruben)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/28 "2013-10-08T15:11:37Z")
> [@Longshanks](#): > > The reason why I put this in GQ was because I was looking for the answer from Christians who believe in this type of thing. Why? What’s it to you? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/29 "2013-10-08T15:49:40Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > I don’t think that the OP really wants to understand. Maybe that’s just me, but i get the feeling he’s not really interested. > > If you are, why do you ask? What does it matter to you? Chip off your shoulder, r4r. It behooves us to treat each question as seriously meant until the OP indicates otherwise. Assuming things about the poster’s motivations becomes close to crossing a line. No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![ruben4ruben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8c91f0/32.png) [@ruben4ruben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruben4ruben)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/30 "2013-10-08T16:10:25Z")
I really would like to know. But maybe that answer would spark a whole new post. So never mind that i asked. I un-ask. If the OP still wants to know there is a zombé thread that’s only a few weeks old where this is discussed in depth: [Topique Zombé on the sacrifice of Christ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=702087) I hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/31 "2013-10-08T16:18:09Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > I really would like to know. But maybe that answer would spark a whole new post. So never mind that i asked. I un-ask. If the OP still wants to know there is a zombé thread that’s only a few weeks old where this is discussed in depth: > > [Topique Zombé on the sacrifice of Christ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=702087) > I hope that helps. 2 weeks old is a zombie now? How about you just particpate in this thread and provide an answer from your JW perspective? or is that too much to ask? ---
**Author:** ![ruben4ruben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8c91f0/32.png) [@ruben4ruben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruben4ruben)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/32 "2013-10-08T16:34:49Z")
> [@simster](#): > > 2 weeks old is a zombie now? > > How about you just particpate in this thread and provide an answer from your JW perspective? or is that too much to ask? Time has become a rather valuable good to me. I posted in the zombé thread, so why repeat? Feel free to read it again or find and quote my JW perspective if you feel it should also be in this post. I think it’s just fine where it is and anyone that cares about the topic would read the whole other thread with all contributions. (not just mine) I’m off to grab some grub and resurrect a 2nd hand desktop. ---
**Author:** ![Longshanks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Longshanks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Longshanks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/33 "2013-10-08T19:24:48Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > I don’t think that the OP really wants to understand. Maybe that’s just me, but i get the feeling he’s not really interested. > > If you are, why do you ask? What does it matter to you? Even though I have no interest in practicing any religions, I still enjoy learning about their histories and beliefs. So I guess your wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Longshanks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Longshanks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Longshanks)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/34 "2013-10-08T19:37:55Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > Why? What’s it to you? What’s it to you whats it to me. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/35 "2013-10-08T19:53:16Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > Time has become a rather valuable good to me. I posted in the zombé thread, so why repeat? Feel free to read it again or find and quote my JW perspective if you feel it should also be in this post. > > I think it’s just fine where it is and anyone that cares about the topic would read the whole other thread with all contributions. (not just mine) > > I’m off to grab some grub and resurrect a 2nd hand desktop. the other thread was about the sacrifce itself - not the sin(s) - so this is a different topic. If you 'have more important things to do" - why did you stop in here at all? Go - do your other things - we won’t miss you. ---
**Author:** ![Conservian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@Conservian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Conservian)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/36 "2013-10-08T21:16:21Z")
> [@simster](#): > > the other thread was about the sacrifce itself - not the sin(s) - so this is a different topic. > > If you 'have more important things to do" - why did you stop in here at all? Go - do your other things - we won’t miss you. “We?” The ignorance here is wholly your own. So, speak for yourself! ---
**Author:** ![Conservian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@Conservian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Conservian)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/37 "2013-10-08T21:37:26Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > I don’t think that the OP really wants to understand. Maybe that’s just me, but i get the feeling he’s not really interested. > > If you are, why do you ask? What does it matter to you? Nah, not just you. In fact, I think agnostics & atheists motives are pretty transparent when it comes to ‘religious’ topics. It your questions are directed at me then I would answer: It’s a rhetorical question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/38 "2013-10-08T21:55:09Z")
> [@Conservian](#): > > Nah, not just you. In fact, I think agnostics & atheists motives are pretty transparent when it comes to ‘religious’ topics. Yeah, I get that kind of prejudice sometimes when I dare ask religious questions in this forum, but most posters don’t make such assumptions thankfully. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/39 "2013-10-08T23:45:07Z")
If you want to understand the importance of Jesus and His life it is best to read His teachings and apply them to your life. Then you will know why He died or was killed and the significance it left to the world. It was not about sin. It was all about Love. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076/40 "2013-10-09T00:47:45Z")
> [@Conservian](#): > > “We?” The ignorance here is wholly your own. So, speak for yourself! Care to enlighten me on my ‘ignorance’ or are you just here to puff your feathers? **ruben4ruben** has provided nothing of value to this thread - and he’s actually provided more than you - so, yeah - I don’t think ‘we’ would miss either of you based on the participation in this thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sins-and-jesus/670076.md?page=3)