# Situation in South Africa (Malema and Terre'blanche aftermath) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243 "2010-04-07T04:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/21 "2010-04-10T00:28:47Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The murder rate among aboriginals in Canada is quite a lot higher than among whites in South Africa. A lot higher than blacks in South Africa as well. Point taken. The difference is that the murder rate for aboriginals in Canada is not inflicted by a racial majority, and thus the relative high rate is merely shrugged off. ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/22 "2010-04-10T06:10:45Z")
> [@ctnguy](#): > > The ANC just issued [a press release](http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20100409120026493C137365) that’s a pretty direct slap-down of Malema: That is excellent. Good on them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/23 "2010-04-10T07:11:38Z")
My local paper (not a “tabloid”) is today reporting that Terreblanche was found with his pants around his ankles and a used condom, and that the defence is going to allege some sexual shennanigans. Me, I can see this two ways, also could be evidence of sexual assault by the murderers - but anyway, the plot thickens… ---
**Author:** ![Aquila\_Be](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a698b9/32.png) [@Aquila\_Be](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquila_Be)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/24 "2010-04-10T11:15:10Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > My local paper (not a “tabloid”) is today reporting that Terreblanche was found with his pants around his ankles and a used condom, and that the defence is going to allege some sexual shennanigans. Me, I can see this two ways, also could be evidence of sexual assault by the murderers - but anyway, the plot thickens… So? Link to your alleged local paper, allegedly (not a “tabloid”). At the very least we’ll be able to find out something about the type of paper you trust and believe in and help us all gain a further insight into your mentality. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/25 "2010-04-10T12:26:10Z")
> [@Aquila\_Be](#): > > So? Sew buttons on a banana peel… > [@](#): > > Link to your alleged local paper, allegedly (not a “tabloid”). It’s a fricking paper subscription, not a website. But you’re welcome to see for [yourself](http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=3177&fDate=2010-04-10&fEdition=1&fNewspapersectionId=1&fPageNumber=1). If you want to register, that is. > [@](#): > > At the very least we’ll be able to find out something about the type of paper you trust and believe in and help us all gain a further insight into your mentality. It’s the [major late daily](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Argus) in my city, completely mainstream. Although how the hell you’d verify that from overseas, I have no idea. And what’s this “mentality” shit? You want to question my “mentality”, do it in the Pit. Although the cops are [saying](http://www.capeargus.co.za/?fSectionId=3571&fArticleId=nw20100410135753300C902230) no condom was found (but no refutation of the pants around ankles bit) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/26 "2010-04-10T12:37:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It’s the [major late daily](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Argus) in my city, completely mainstream. Mainstream? When the headline is puzzling over the gender of a little green character from a 28-year-old movie? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on. “ET sex riddle”, for those who don’t want to visit the site. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/27 "2010-04-10T14:02:19Z")
The police have officially denied the story, That doesn’t mean it’s not true, of course. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/28 "2010-04-10T17:30:59Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Mainstream? When the headline is puzzling over the gender of a little green character from a 28-year-old movie? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on. Just to support \*\*MrDibble \*\*in this - the Cape Argus is one of two mainstream daily English language newspapers in Cape Town, the other being the Cape Times (although both are owned by the same parent company). Having said that, this is the weekend edition, which does tend toward the tabloid at times… and come to think of it, may in fact be an separate publication… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/29 "2010-04-10T18:57:46Z")
> [@grimpixie](#): > > Just to support \*\*MrDibble \*\*in this - the Cape Argus is one of two mainstream daily English language newspapers in Cape Town, the other being the Cape Times (although both are owned by the same parent company). Having said that, this is the weekend edition, which does tend toward the tabloid at times… and come to think of it, may in fact be an separate publication… No, it’s the Cape Argus (Weekend Edition) - they share a website and _alles_. Now, I can’t wait for\* Die Son\*'s headline on Monday. It’s the closest I come to that rag, but the flyers always make for a quick “WTF?” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/30 "2010-04-10T22:25:30Z")
> [@grimpixie](#): > > Just to support \*\*MrDibble \*\*in this - the Cape Argus is one of two mainstream daily English language newspapers in Cape Town, the other being the Cape Times (although both are owned by the same parent company). Having said that, this is the weekend edition, which does tend toward the tabloid at times… and come to think of it, may in fact be an separate publication… I really had no idea that my post required a smiley. ---
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/31 "2010-04-12T11:53:27Z")
For those interested, [here’s](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/7572374/The-man-playing-South-Africas-death-card.html) an interesting and alarming (or alarmist?) profile of Malema. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/32 "2010-04-12T12:17:13Z")
Definitely alarmist. But pretty accurate for all that. Doesn’t mention that Malema’s been smacked down by Zuma just this weekend, of course. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/33 "2010-04-20T13:33:23Z")
Hey, how many South Africans does it take to change a light bulb? Serious question, I have no idea any more. ---
**Author:** ![Random\_Design](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58f4c7/32.png) [@Random\_Design](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random_Design)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/34 "2010-04-20T14:16:41Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Definitely alarmist. But pretty accurate for all that. Doesn’t mention that Malema’s been smacked down by Zuma just this weekend, of course. > [@](#): > > According to ruling party insiders, Zuma and other top ANC leaders decided to withdraw the charges against Malema following a lengthy meeting with the youth league. [http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article410766.ece/Malema-off-the-hook-as-Zuma-makes-U-turn](http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article410766.ece/Malema-off-the-hook-as-Zuma-makes-U-turn) So much for that. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/35 "2010-04-21T12:11:47Z")
> [@Random\_Design](#): > > [http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article410766.ece/Malema-off-the-hook-as-Zuma-makes-U-turn](http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article410766.ece/Malema-off-the-hook-as-Zuma-makes-U-turn) > > So much for that. If you look at, for example, the [Julius Malema page on News24](http://www.news24.com/Tags/People/julius_malema), there are articles, all published on the same day, claiming that Malema has been charged, that he hasn’t been charged yet, that he won’t be charged, and that he might be charged but it hasn’t been decided yet. So I don’t think the situation is settled just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/36 "2010-04-21T16:42:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Hey, how many South Africans does it take to change a light bulb? > > Serious question, I have no idea any more. Seven. One who thinks that light bulbs don’t cure darkness because they were invented in the west, another who thinks you can fix a burnt-out lightbulb by putting it in the shower, a third to boast about the success of a “democracy” in which the next leader is handpicked by the last from within a single party, and four to lavish praise on the problem of how Robert Mugabe handled inequitable lightbulb distribution. In the end, South Africans of all races begin to die off because there is no light, but as long as the ANC runs the country and continues to talk about how evil various long-dead pro-apartheid politicians were, they go to bed with millions of dollars, five wives, and endless self-satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/37 "2010-04-21T20:38:46Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Seven. One who thinks that light bulbs don’t cure darkness because they were invented in the west, another who thinks you can fix a burnt-out lightbulb by putting it in the shower, a third to boast about the success of a “democracy” in which the next leader is handpicked by the last from within a single party, and four to lavish praise on the problem of how Robert Mugabe handled inequitable lightbulb distribution. 1. Please give a cite to an example of South Africa rejecting technological advancement do to it’s “westerness” 2. I don’t get the reference??? 3. Zuma was handpicked by Mbeki? I thought they hated each other? 4. Who (besides Malema) is lavishing praise to Mugabe? > [@](#): > > In the end, South Africans of all races begin to die off because there is no light, but as long as the ANC runs the country and continues to talk about how evil various long-dead pro-apartheid politicians were, they go to bed with millions of dollars, five wives, and endless self-satisfaction. The end is near? Is the sky falling? Is the apocalypse coming? I have a hard time thinking that this isn’t some of that irrational, reactionary, alarmist stuff that keeps poping up in every South Africa thread. I need a deeper commentary. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/38 "2010-04-21T20:44:25Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > 1. I don’t get the reference??? Oh, I get it. [Zuma’s showe](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4879822.stm)r after having sex with an HIV positive girl. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/39 "2010-04-21T20:51:31Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > 1. Zuma was handpicked by Mbeki? I thought they hated each other? > . I think he’s talking about Motlanthe and Zuma, and also that the ANC is the only party that really has a chance of winning national elections. ---
**Author:** ![TitaniumTeddyBear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TitaniumTeddyBear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TitaniumTeddyBear)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243/40 "2010-04-24T10:40:02Z")
First off: good work everyone! This thread has covered all the points i was planning to cover when I came here. Secondly: Condescending robot let me help you out here. If there is a problem that existed before 1994, that persists today then it IS the fault of Apartheid. If progress that has been made since 1994 starts to slip (e.g. healthcare) then THAT is the fault of the ANC government. Using this simple rule we can see that pretty much all of the things that are wrong with ZA at the moment are the fault of Apartheid: poverty, crime, education (so far, but keep an eye on it). But there are several things that are the fault of the ANC government: healthcare, police service, cronyism and a few others. I hope that was helpful 😉 Also that Sowetan article is really good, I reckon everyone who has an interest should read it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/situation-in-south-africa-malema-and-terreblanche-aftermath/535243.md?page=1)