They infect the couple sitting next to them, who infect their daughter when they go home, who infects me when she goes to work the next day and bumps into me.
“BUT MAH FREEDUM” is not a valid excuse for killing your neighbors.
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Unless your barber can cut your hair from six feet away, you’re putting them at risk.
That’s ridiculous.
If I am still gonna be infections after three weeks of sheltering in place, what is the point of hanging out in my house for three weeks? And I was never infectious in the first place.
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Can you be as certain that you’re not simply asymptomatic?
Can you be as certain that none of the other patrons or workers at the restaurant are not infected?
Can you be as certain that none of the other patrons or workers at the hair salon are not infected?
How about all of the people that those patrons and workers have had contact with?
Until some period after a vaccine is widely distributed, the only way to contain the pandemic is through social distancing. Period. Pay attention to the epidemiologists and the doctors - this is what they’re saying.
If I’m asymptomatic then I don’t have much of a viral load. I’m perfectly fine with not hugging anybody or shaking their hand.
I’m just not seeing how if I, say, go off to my dance class, and spend an hour in the studio with three other people and an instructor, none of whom I touch or even get that close to, then how is that risky? Or if it is risky then the risk is assumed by all of us and we agreed to it.
Hair salon, okay, they have to get closer. But if hair salons and restaurants are open I think people have to be free to decide whether they go to them or not, and if you’re really afraid you can decide not to. Right now these things are not open so this is all conjecture.
*“There’s no use trying,” she said: “one can’t fulfill impossible conditions.”
“I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve fulfilled as many as six impossible conditions before breakfast.”*
You seem to be laboring under the impression that businesses have been closed to protect you personally; when in fact it was to protect the population generally.
Arguing “but me me me me!!” means shit when the solution resides with all of us.
If you say so, I guess. Are you a virologist?
If you’re asymptomatic but have a viral load, you’ll be huffing and puffing droplets filled with virus throughout the room. And your instructor will have been huffing droplets all week from his other clients.
People are bad at gauging risk, at least, we’re very inconsistent about it, which is why these places have to be closed until it is actually safe. It’s doubly bad for COVID because it’s not just your own personal risk, but the risk you will unknowingly spread it to someone else. You don’t have the right to decide to take on THAT risk.
Somewhere between 1/4 to 1/2 of infected people won’t have symptoms. Another 1/4 will have mild symptoms. Even those who will go on to have a severe case will have an incubation period where they were contagious but didn’t know it.
Even if you are willing to assume risk for yourself, what about all the people that aren’t but still have to be out and who could get it from you? Not just a dance studio but supermarket personnel, police officers, mail carriers, medical personnel, etc., all of who could then infect others. How do you think the virus reached pandemic status to begin with? It’s mostly because of the people with the virus, many without symptoms, who thought “this is no big deal” went on about there business as usual.
Breathing hard, like in a dance class, singing, like at church, or shouting like at a ball game TRIPLE how far infectious droplets travel.
TRIPLE! Look it up.
You’ll need to be 15’ apart for dancing or church etc.
Governor DeWine of Ohio, (whom I personally do not much like), was one of the first governors to impose pretty much the same rules. Ohio has, so far, remained one of the better examples of not spreading the virus.
Since this is Great Debates, please provide a cite for this assertion.
(The Dr in charge SKoreas effective efforts.)
Everyone else has got it, but in my case particularly while I’m at home almost all the time I still need to go to the grocery store once a week, and the more the other people at the store have hung out the greater the chance of one of them having it and transmitting it to me.
Plus, you seem to have the notion that the virus spreads only by touching.
California, despite being early in getting people with infections, and having lots of contact with China before we knew there was a problem, is 30 out of 50 in Covid19 deaths. We have spare ventilators we are lending to other states. I think there have only been 15 deaths in all of San Francisco, which is more densely populated than the suburbs like where I live.
Closing down fast worked. The restrictions work. I don’t know what more evidence people want.
I think Maryland is another good example of a with-it Republican governor. Maybe the problem isn’t Republican or Democrat, it is more pro-science vs clueless about science.
You seem to be saying that I am not part of the general population.
I’m saying that you’re only thinking of yourself, which I thought was clear enough. Not sure how you can misunderstand my simple point.
Anyone have any ideas on how long it’ll take to double the number of schools in California?
And I’m pretty sure that any governor who was pro-science would have followed the CDC guidelines, and Ohio sure as heck hasn’t.
You seem to not understand that you are.
#MurderedByWords
I’m not watching a 36 minute long video. :smack: