# Sixteen Candles geek rape question **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 9, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395 "2007-12-09T17:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Miss\_Jean\_Louise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Miss\_Jean\_Louise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Jean_Louise)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/1 "2007-12-09T17:35:08Z")
I don’t know if this has been done before…but I would like to know if anyone else feels at all uncomfortable with the pawning off of a very drunken Caroline to Farmer Ted? The movie doesn’t really set her up as a bitch so the audience has no reason to hate her except that she’s Jake’s girlfriend and blonde and built. So are we supposed to be glad that he “gives” her to Anthony Michael hall to be presumably sexually exploited? I like John Hughes movies but this one always leaves me somewhat unsettled. Am I making too much of a silly movie? Is there something that I am misunderstanding, perhaps, that could explain the situation in a more harmless way? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/2 "2007-12-09T17:41:36Z")
I saw it in college for the first time since being a kid, and I was horrified by that scene. It was really, really creepy. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/3 "2007-12-09T19:07:23Z")
Also of note is the scene in “Revenge of the Nerds.” Last I checked, what the nerd did is rape through and through. ETA: But it’s ok, 'cause the nerd was really good in bed. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/4 "2007-12-09T19:32:03Z")
Yes, we’ve done this before. And the isssue is: who seduced or raped who? Farmer Ted doesn’t remember, she did. Did she attack him after he passed out or what? Did neither pass out? There is not enough information given in the film to decide at all. This is not the film to get all huffy about. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/5 "2007-12-09T19:43:27Z")
Both when I first saw the movie years ago and when I saw it on TV more recently, I actually got the impression that nothing _actually_ happened, but that Caroline _assumes_\* it did because when she wakes up in the back seat of a car that’s usually the case. I think that’s supposed to be the “humor”. Farmer Ted is in awe because he lost his virginity to the hottest chick in school, but doesn’t remember it, and the truth is that never did really. The _Revenge of the Nerd_ scene makes me quite uncomfortable. - ETA: IIRC, when Farmer Ted asks Carloine “Did we?” she answers “I think so.” She doesn’t say for sure, and when he looks horrified and asks if he’s the one who cut her hair, she answers along the lines of “maybe”. NOTE: I may be misremembering though. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/6 "2007-12-09T19:54:18Z")
If he didn’t remember, then why is it necessarily “him that raped her”. Maybe she raped him. Or maybe they were just two drunken kids who had sex & no one raped anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/7 "2007-12-09T20:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] If he didn’t remember, then why is it necessarily “him that raped her”. Maybe she raped him. Or maybe they were just two drunken kids who had sex & no one raped anyone. [/QUOTE] Or maybe neither of them had sex and they just ended up watching Yellow Submarine, an experience that many a kid would like to forget. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/8 "2007-12-09T20:04:19Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] If he didn’t remember, then why is it necessarily “him that raped her”. Maybe she raped him. Or maybe they were just two drunken kids who had sex & no one raped anyone. [/QUOTE] Yeah, that’s true. But Jake didn’t know that was going to happen. The fact that he just “gave” his unconscious girlfriend to some random guy to drive around with is what is so creepy. Makes you wonder what kind of stuff he’s going to pull with Molly Ringwald’s character now that she’s his new best girl. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/9 "2007-12-09T20:25:19Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Makes you wonder what kind of stuff he’s going to pull with Molly Ringwald’s character now that she’s his new best girl. [/QUOTE] Yes, it does. I’ll be in my bunk. ---
**Author:** ![Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a8b319/32.png) [@Spatial\_Rift\_47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spatial_Rift_47)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/10 "2007-12-09T20:58:15Z")
… Farmer Ted? ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/11 "2007-12-09T21:11:54Z")
I just want to say that “geek rape” isn’t a phrase that I see on very many occasions. ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/12 "2007-12-09T21:24:15Z")
I would say that whether or not an actual rape took place, the scene makes me feel uncomfortable and it’s not very funny regardless of intention. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/13 "2007-12-09T21:34:33Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] The fact that he just “gave” his unconscious girlfriend to some random guy to drive around with is what is so creepy. Makes you wonder what kind of stuff he’s going to pull with Molly Ringwald’s character now that she’s his new best girl. [/QUOTE] Only once he’s tired of her. But that’s nothing compared to the all-out lying/cheating/stealing confidence artist that is Ferris Bueller. Seriously, is there even one John Hughes movie without a significantly creepy subtext? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Ruffian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@Ruffian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruffian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/14 "2007-12-09T21:56:37Z")
Transcript of the scene in question (mods, if this isn’t cool, feel free to delete) from [http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie\_scripts/s/sixteen-candles-script-transcript-molly.html:](http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/sixteen-candles-script-transcript-molly.html:) > [@](#): > > FT: Damn, Mom! > I’ve got my headgear on. > > C: Will you wake up? > > FT: Where the hell am I? > > C: I’ll, uh, tell you > where you are, if you’ll > tell me who you are. > > FT: Farmer Ted. > > C: You’re in the parking lot across > the street from my church. > > FT: You go to church? What happened? > > C: I have no idea. > > FT: Did I do that > to your hair? > > C: At this point, > anything is possible. > > FT: Um, l… Uh…Did, um…Did we, uh… > > C: Yeah. I’m pretty sure. > > FT: Um, excuse me, > but do you…Do you know if… > Um, did I enjoy it? > Am I nuts? > Of course I enjoyed it. > I mean, um… What I > meant was, uh, did you? > > C: Hmm. You know, I have this > weird feeling I did. I always got the impression that it was just two drunk teens not having a clue what they were doing. Whether they had sex is still ambiguous to me, but I never got the impression it was rape–just kids being mutually drunk and mutually stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/15 "2007-12-09T21:57:01Z")
[QUOTE=Stranger On A Train] Only once he’s tired of her. But that’s nothing compared to the all-out lying/cheating/stealing confidence artist that is Ferris Bueller. Seriously, is there even one John Hughes movie without a significantly creepy subtext? Stranger [/QUOTE] Ferris was manipulative towards his friends, sure–Cameron in particular. But deep down, you knew he cared for his friend and had his best interests at heart. Plus, Ferris never pimped out Sloane for the heck of it. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/16 "2007-12-09T22:05:00Z")
[QUOTE=Ruffian] I always got the impression that it was just two drunk teens not having a clue what they were doing. Whether they had sex is still ambiguous to me, but I never got the impression it was rape–just kids being mutually drunk and mutually stupid. [/QUOTE] Yeah…but the fact that she was passed out unconscious for most of the night is what skeeves me. That just really didn’t feel right. And I guess the whole premise–Jake just handing off his passed out girlfriend to the nearest creep who walks by. And Farmer Ted thinking it’s just so awesome to take pictures of this hot passed out girl. It’s the kind of thing that makes me want to never take another drink and also wear a chastity belt wherever I go. Just gives me the creeps. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/17 "2007-12-09T22:17:01Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Ferris was manipulative towards his friends, sure–Cameron in particular. But deep down, you knew he cared for his friend and had his best interests at heart. Plus, Ferris never pimped out Sloane for the heck of it. [/QUOTE] That you know of. And no, I don’t think Ferris had Cameron’s best interests at heart. Sure, Cameron grew a pair of balls and was going to face his father in the end, but that wasn’t due to anything Ferris intended; Ferris was going to scheme his way into concealing that the car had ever left the garage. Ferris Bueller is a punk. At the twenty year reunion, people aren’t going to think what a cool guy Ferris is; they’ll just remember how he got them out of gym class, or scored some pot for them, or talked down some girl from pressing a date rape charge. Ferris is a fixer, not a friend. Lloyd Dobbler, however, he’s your buddy, and he’ll stand by you whether you’re right or wrong; people will remember Lloyd for who he is and what he did, even if it wasn’t all that much. Lloyd’s there for you, and the creepy, stalkerish things that he occasionally does are done with the best of intentions without trying to exploit or cheat anyone. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/18 "2007-12-09T22:21:19Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] The fact that he just “gave” his unconscious girlfriend to some random guy to drive around with is what is so creepy. [/QUOTE] I thought that the reason he had Farmer Ted take her home was because he was the only guy he could trust not to take advantage of her. Wasn’t there a line to that effect? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/19 "2007-12-09T22:26:25Z")
From a transcript here: [http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/seaQuestDSV2032/Sixteen.html](http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/seaQuestDSV2032/Sixteen.html) : > [@](#): > > Jake: I can get a piece of ass anytime I want. Shit, I’ve got Caroline in the bedroom right now, passed out cold. I could violate her ten different ways if I wanted to. > Geek: (almost chokes on a pretzel) What are you waiting for? > Jake: I don’t know. She’s beautiful and she’s built and all that, I’m just not interested anymore. > Geek: Does that really matter, guy? > Jake: Yeah it matters. She’s totally insensitive. Look what she did to my house. She doesn’t know shit about love. The only thing she cares about is partying. I want a serious girlfriend. Somebody I can love that’s gonna love me back. (pause) Is that psycho? > Geek: (spits out an olive) That’s beautiful, Jake. You know I think a ton of guys feel the same way you do. > Jake: Really? > Geek: Yeah, they just don’t have the…the balls to admit it. You know what I mean? I mean, they’re just…they’re wimps. Samantha is a…she’s really special. > Jake: I’ll make a deal with you. (holds up the panties) You let me keep these, I’ll let you take Caroline home. But you’ve got to make sure she gets home. You can’t leave her in a parking lot somewhere. Okay? > Geek: Jake, I’m only a Freshman. > Jake: So, she’s so blitzed she won’t know the difference. This just feels so creepy… ---
**Author:** ![Ruffian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@Ruffian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruffian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395/20 "2007-12-09T22:30:19Z")
[QUOTE=Swallowed My Cellphone] I thought that the reason he had Farmer Ted take her home was because he was the only guy he could trust not to take advantage of her. Wasn’t there a line to that effect? [/QUOTE] Seems like the line is more about the Rolls Royce he loaned FT: > [@](#): > > J: I’ll make a deal with you. Let me keep these. I’ll > let you take Caroline home. > But you gotta make sure she > gets home. You can’t leave her > in some parking lot somewhere. Okay? > > FT: Jake, I’m only a freshman. > > J: So? She’s so blitzed, she > won’t know the difference. > > FT: Jake, I don’t have a car. > > J: You can take mine. > > FT: Jake, I don’t have a license. > > J: I trust you. > > FT: Jake, I’d love to. > I can’t. > > J: Want a pretzel? > > FT: You sure? > > J: Positive. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sixteen-candles-geek-rape-question/429395.md?page=2)