# Skald the Rhymer is annoying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631 "2012-07-08T21:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/361 "2018-05-24T10:47:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Ha! I just write a long and thoughtful response to your “ha”, when I suddenly felt a “whoosh” of fresh air and got the joke… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/362 "2018-05-24T10:50:40Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Dope is increasingly a board for old white men and they stick together. [Here ya go.](https://www.google.com/search?q=gold+bond+powder&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=sinv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix6IymlZ7bAhUIx1kKHTBCAP8Q_AUIEigC&biw=1024&bih=627#imgrc=fKFaWaNiJ5SjDM:) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/363 "2018-05-24T10:52:11Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Now, to be clear, I’m not so bothered that I would have started this thread. But in this thread, we have multiple women saying it bothers us. We are called crazy, creepy, and part of the mean girls’ gang. For objecting to what we perceive as a pattern of degradation, violation, and exploitation. > > You (generic you) don’t see it. Ok. That’s fine. Just quit deriding us for naming what we’re seeing, ok? > [@raventhief](#): > > You’re right. What you said, in a thread that has women saying “this bothers me” was: > > So. I see a pattern. I must be crazy, since it’s a bullshit pattern that should embarrass me? > [@CarnalK](#): > > Because you compared her comments to one unreasonable “rape” link post and ignored that she was saying exactly what all the other people were saying. Because you’re pretending that the only thing you were arguing against was the rape links post.“hey, I understand that almost every woman in this thread finds him creepy, but I didn’t like that link avalanche” is not where you’ve positioned yourself so far. Okay. I think I see what’s going on. I have communicated _really_ poorly, and I’m sorry. Stupid “y’all.” There are some folks here who I _do_ think are factually incorrect. There are other folks who are creeped out. While there’s some overlap between the two groups, it’s only the former, and not the latter, that I have any issue with. (There are also the furious dimwits who just want to stir up trouble; I have issues with them as well, of course, but they’re a third group). But I did not explain that well. It sounded to a lot of folks like I meant, “If you’re creeped out by Skald’s posts, you’re crazy.” And that’s not what I meant, not at all. My “y’all” wasn’t directed at everybody, not by a long shot; but it sure sounded to folks like it was. I apologize for expressing myself so poorly, and I hope this clarifies what I meant to say. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/364 "2018-05-24T11:04:55Z")
Y’know, maybe I need to go further than that. When I came across this thread, I was curious and confused: what were people seeing in those threads that I wasn’t? When I saw Penfeather’s list, I finally figured, okay, now I’ll see it! But I looked at those links and realized what a distorting, misleading claim Penfeather was making about Skald (not about her own reaction, but about Skald’s writing). And that’s where I think I went wrong: I incorrectly assumed that I’d just seen _everyone’s_ reasons for being mad at Skald. So I probably was dismissive of people. Since then, folks have shown me that they are creeped out for reasons tangential to Penfeather’s misleading list. I apologize for being dismissive of folks’ reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/365 "2018-05-24T11:42:03Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > And I’m not a “mean girl”, bitch, I’m a badass woman. Last apology in a row: the “mean girls” phrase was probably a bad idea, intended to suggest that morgenstern et al were behaving like gossipy teenagers. However, it buys into a stereotype, and even at the time I knew it was probably a bad idea. Shouldn’t’ve done it. Sorry, and I retract the phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/366 "2018-05-24T13:21:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > … > > In all seriousness, judging by how unhinged and stalkerish you folks have proven to be why would I post a picture of myself? Because your application to \*\*\*the mean girls club \*\*\*was returned with “ **DENIED** ” stamped on it? We may have no rules, no standards, no leaders, and no class, but we still have our mission. We even worship the Oxford comma. Our charter was signed in the blood of trolls like you Octaputz. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/367 "2018-05-24T13:32:58Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Last apology in a row: the “mean girls” phrase was probably a bad idea, intended to suggest that morgenstern et al were behaving like gossipy teenagers. However, it buys into a stereotype, and even at the time I knew it was probably a bad idea. Shouldn’t’ve done it. > > Sorry, and I retract the phrase. A few things. I respect that you were willing to sacrifice so much on this hill for your friend. Loyalty is a great thing, but blind loyalty - not so much. **Mean girls club**. We’re not letting go of that. Thank you for giving us that. I’m not the leader. We don’t need no stinkin’ leader. We have the truth. You can’t stand the truth we defend. We are **the mean girls club**. We are red, white and blue. PS, your application has been delayed because we have no committee to review it. We’re that unorganized. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/368 "2018-05-24T14:24:09Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > A few things. I respect that you were willing to sacrifice so much on this hill for your friend. Loyalty is a great thing, but blind loyalty - not so much. I don’t dislike Skald, but I hardly consider him a friend. I don’t think I’ve exchanged more than a dozen posts, and probably considerably fewer, in the two decades I’ve been on these boards. I have had far more friendly interactions with you than I have with him. This isn’t about loyalty to a friend, much less blind loyalty; it’s about the reasons I’ve already given. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/369 "2018-05-24T14:25:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait, we got him banned? Are you retarded? > \*\* > Clothahump\*\* was the one trolling and baiting, not to mention spewing racial slurs for years. Given that you sit near the head of the mean girls table, maybe you want to sit this one out. Or are you going to do your girl detective thing and start locating people’s real world names and addresses? Your personal history of never seeing a pile-on you didn’t like and being one of the main participants in that thread at that other board really points towards “low profile” rather than “righteous indignation” as your preferred course. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/370 "2018-05-24T14:26:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I don’t dislike Skald, but I hardly consider him a friend. I don’t think I’ve exchanged more than a dozen posts, and probably considerably fewer, in the two decades I’ve been on these boards. I have had far more friendly interactions with you than I have with him. > > This isn’t about loyalty to a friend, much less blind loyalty; it’s about the reasons I’ve already given. Then go in peace LHoD. I’ll consider this closed. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/371 "2018-05-24T14:32:11Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > A few things. I respect that you were willing to sacrifice so much on this hill for your friend. Loyalty is a great thing, but blind loyalty - not so much. > > **Mean girls club**. We’re not letting go of that. Thank you for giving us that. > > I’m not the leader. We don’t need no stinkin’ leader. We have the truth. You can’t stand the truth we defend. We are **the mean girls club**. We are red, white and blue. > > PS, your application has been delayed because we have no committee to review it. We’re that unorganized. I tagged you as mean girls in your own snark thread months ago. That was when y’all were wallowing in the Shagnasty thread. There was also some drama because at least one of your most enthusiastic members was transitioning into off-board stalking. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/372 "2018-05-24T14:36:57Z")
Sorry for not crediting you with the meme. Unfortunately, it’s too late to do anything about it, the announcements are already at the printers. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/373 "2018-05-24T14:54:45Z")
Nope, no misogyny to see here folks. Nope, none at all. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/374 "2018-05-24T15:05:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Nope, no misogyny to see here folks. Nope, none at all. I realize this is like pointing out someone’s shoe is untied while their hat is on fire, but there is some man hate’n going on in this thread too. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/375 "2018-05-24T15:07:55Z")
I love you, Scumpup 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/376 "2018-05-24T15:24:35Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I realize this is like pointing out someone’s shoe is untied while their hat is on fire, but there is some man hate’n going on in this thread too. Exasperation maybe, with a side of frustration. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/377 "2018-05-24T15:42:52Z")
Thank you, Left Hand of Dorkness. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/378 "2018-05-24T15:49:36Z")
I honestly had no idea that “mean girls” is so universally considered misogynist. Has Tina Fey or Rosalind Wiseman addressed that point? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/379 "2018-05-24T15:55:38Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Last apology in a row: the “mean girls” phrase was probably a bad idea, intended to suggest that morgenstern et al were behaving like gossipy teenagers. However, it buys into a stereotype, and even at the time I knew it was probably a bad idea. Shouldn’t’ve done it. > > Sorry, and I retract the phrase. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Then go in peace LHoD. I’ll consider this closed. > [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > I love you, Scumpup 🙂 > [@raventhief](#): > > Thank you, Left Hand of Dorkness. No, no, NO! What the hell is this shit? You all _hate_ each other, remember? Keep it going! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631/380 "2018-05-24T15:56:44Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I honestly had no idea that “mean girls” is so universally considered misogynist. Has Tina Fey or Rosalind Wiseman addressed that point? I think we’re seeing it more in a Tanya Harding, Lindsey Lohan way. Not a gender thing. But I see your point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/skald-the-rhymer-is-annoying/627631.md?page=20)