Why don’t you trot out a cite to back up you claim here, then? Of course, only 2 of the calls in question were made from regular cell phones, the rest were made from in flight air phones (a fact curiously left out by most Truthers). But let’s see a cite that making a call from an air plane using a regular cell phone would be impossible, or at least improbable.
This would seem to contradict your assertion, and I’ve seen stats showing that every year something like 4-8 cell calls are made from air planes, despite the restrictions.
This represents a gross misunderstanding of a simple concept that was clearly explained to you.
Do you ever stop to question yourself? Your beliefs, assumptions, conceptions, level of knowledge, etc? Are you a self-aware person at all, Mozart1220?
Please ask yourself: “If I could so clearly, so thoroughly misunderstand such a fundamental concept that was plainly explained to me, what else am I capable of misunderstanding?”
Do you think you could be wrong about this whole 9/11 thing, or is it religion to you? Could anything change your mind?
What makes a claim scientific (on the view Cisco is expressing) is that we know what it would take, in terms of observation, to prove it wrong. Not that it is wrong, but that, if it’s wrong, we have a way to show that it’s wrong.
“Stealing is wrong” is not a scientific claim because there’s no way to prove that claim wrong by citing any set of observations.
“Fire is cold” is a scientific claim because we know how to prove it wrong using observations.
“Fire is hot” is a scientific claim because we know how to prove it wrong using observations as well. It turns out we can’t prove it wrong–but what’s crucial here is we know how we could prove it wrong if it were wrong.
In this thread you’re claiming that good science is on your side. Good scientific claims make it clear how they could be proven wrong. So it is natural for us to ask you–how could your claims be proven wrong?
By explaining how we could prove you wrong, you make it much more clear what you’re actually claiming in the first place.
What would count as observational evidence against your claims?
If we want to prove you wrong, what should we be looking for?
If you’re serious, it shows the abysmal ignorance of your scientific knowledge. Do you really think the speed of the phone/plane and the height makes it impossible to conduct a telphonic conversation? In spite of the fact that line-of-sight communication works best for most radio signals and that’s exactly what they had? Then how did all the phone calls made from the planes happen? (Many calls, several planes) Were they faked by yet another conspiratorial crew that has kept their mouth shut along with the other million or so cohorts?
I confess I’ve never made a phone call from a plane in the air, and haven’t travelled by air for a long time. But it would have been a shock to try to pick up one of those Airphones to make a call and find out they were only painted on, but none ever worked. What a fraud. Maybe the airlines hoped you’d never try one.
That’s exactly what the CT 9/11 Truthers are saying. Interestingly enough, the Loose Change bozos have backed off of this claim, since it’s fairly easy to prove that their assumption that you can’t make cell phone calls from a plane are just wrong. A lot of other Truthers, however, haven’t gotten the memo that, as with many of the things they ‘believe’ to be true, they are just flat out wrong.
The biggest problem with using a phone while flying (aside from the fact that it’s banned by both the FCC and FAA, and that there is a non-zero chance that it might cause the instruments in the plane to be disrupted) is that the call connection might get dropped during the hand off from one cellular zone to the next (well, and the fact that it causes other problems from the FCC’s perspective).
The funny thing is, even with the restrictions and announcements, a handful of people DO make cell phone calls every year while in flight. Contrary to the understanding of the Truthers, not all of these people are paid agents of the government…
Well, it doesn’t now, obviously, but in 2001, radio signals didn’t travel as fast, you see, so it would have been impossible to make a cell phone call from a plane. Luckily for us, Congress passed a law in 2005 making radio signals travel faster, so this is no longer a problem.
Not with Airfone. It was designed to be used in the air, advertised for such, and used in 9/11, for most of the calls, IIRC.
Besides, how many towers in the area do you think is a maximum to prohibit calling? 100? 10? 2? And do you have research to support your assertion or are you just making stuff up?
Maybe you, too, are confusing cellphones with Airfones, which are not cellular, but designed to be used from airplanes and are (or were) installed in airplanes. One reason I never used them is they were too expensive and my need for communication wasn’t that necessary. But they were in every seat back in some planes I flew on. I’m pretty sure they weren’t painted on.
No. As I mentioned earlier, 2 of the calls during 9/11 were from regular cell phones…the rest were from the installed Airfones. I don’t think that the 9/11 Truthers are disputing that the Airfones can be used to make inflight calls (though, again as I said earlier, they tend to conveniently ‘forget’ this when they are discussing this topic). The contention is that the OTHER calls (namely, the 2 from regular cell phones) were ‘faked’ (and then they conflate that with ALL the calls, again not mentioning all the other calls from the in flight phone system).
Sorry for the confusion…I mentioned all this earlier and figured you had read that part as well.
No worries then. Just wanted to get that out before one of the 9/11 Truthers (the current one seems to be following the usual trajectory and losing steam…I don’t think he wants to play anymore) started whining about strawman arguments and the like. As I said, even the Loose Change morons have given up on this particular aspect of the CT (besides which, it’s simply vile to claim that the calls were faked, that the last words some of the victims families ever heard were from some sort government agents or some other nonsense).
Not that it’s helped on other aspects, though IIRC Loose Change 3: Return of the Dead, didn’t do as well, since they had to back pedal on a bunch of stuff, and came out much more wishy washy from the perspective of the rabid CT loonies.
You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Just wanted to get that out before one of the 9/11 Truthers (the current one seems to be following the usual trajectory and losing steam…I don’t think he wants to play anymore) started whining about strawman arguments and the like. As I said, even the Loose Change morons have given up on this particular aspect of the CT (besides which, it’s simply vile to claim that the calls were faked, that the last words some of the victims families ever heard were from some sort government agents or some other nonsense).