# Slate, and its editorial cartoonist, and anyone who thinks this way, may fuck off **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2002, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431 "2002-10-29T18:51:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/21 "2002-10-30T04:19:39Z")
meenie7: > [@](#): > > \*\*Man, that cartoon is offensive. I work at a newspaper which subscriibes to Cagle Cartoons, and the editor took one look at that cartoon and said “no way.” It makes me question the judgement of a publication to run something like that, especially since Cagle Cartoons sends at least three or four different ones every day, so at any one time, you have quite a selection of current, unused ones from that day and the last few days. It wasn’t like they got that one and were like “ah, it’s all we have, we need to have SOMETHING there” and ran it out of desperation. \*\* To give my local newspaper the benefit of the doubt, when I first looked at the cartoon, I thought it was very nice. Both the donkey and the elephant with their heads bowed in grief and remembrance. Maybe they saw it the same way. elucidator: All you’ve cited is typical election-time one-upsmanship. > [@](#): > > \*\*Suddenly, he’s dead and the Pubbies are falling all over themselves to praise his “courage”, to praise principles they despised. What utter rot. When they discover thier admiration for Mr. Wellstones courage and principles? Certainly there was no evidence of it before he was dead. \*\* Cite? The U.S. Senate is a relatively genteel and dignified body, particularly when it is in session. Believe it or not, people can disagree - even disagree completely - with somebody on their political agenda, yet admire them for their intellligence, passion, sincerity, and their desire to help their constituents and larger society. It’s hypocrisy to mourn the death of a colleague you disagreed with politically? And the death of his wife, child and other innocent people? > [@](#): > > \*\*He has a point. \*\* Yeah. And his point was Republicans taking glee in the death of all the aforementioned people. Because it helps their evil aims. I have a point, too. It’s the title of this thread. Feel free to re-read. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/22 "2002-10-30T05:30:48Z")
Well, I’d rather “fuck off” than embrace the slime that the Good old Party has cozied up to in its quest for supremacy. Wellstone isn’t even in the ground, and already [Newt’s spreading lies](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31610-2002Oct28.html) about his rumored successor ? Sometimes you Pubbies just give me the Willies (slick or otherwise). If you think the sentiment portrayed is that rare amongst republicans, just take a look at a few of the Wellstone threads in GD IMHO, the pit. Which party is it that encouraged the use of terms like “Freedom hater” ? What makes you think that the GOP as a whole should be held above reproach for the predictable consequences of it’s own tactics ? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/23 "2002-10-30T05:36:30Z")
No, that was the point you took. As I said, it could have been better done, And you really can’t drag in “all the aforementioned people” unless there was more than one grave in the cartoon. Which, of course, there was not. And, yes, just as you say, the Senate has a tradition of relative gentility, they don’t generally do thier own backstabbing, they have aides for that sort of thing. OK, there are 49 genteel and polite Republicans who are above that sort of thing. Well, whoop-de-fucka-doo. How about the rest of them? And, just as I noted, which you are also free to re-read, many (not _all, many_) Republicans had not the slightest qualm about smearing Wellstone, nor any compunctions about bending the rules to the breaking point to oust him from office. Until he was dead. Did you hear any Republican’s rushing to the press to defend Wellstone against the aforementioned? Please advise if you have such a cite. Again, just as I have noted, such hypocrisy as this is entirely human, it is not indicative of any particularly loathesome quality exclusive to Republicans. Its rather like the grief when your thoroughly unpleasant uncle passes on and leaves you a bundle: griefstricken as you may be, you’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/24 "2002-10-30T07:21:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Some Guy \* > \*\* > > Actually, once upon a time, Phelps used to be a fairly major figure in the Kansas [Democratic](http://home.southwind.net/~ktn/karl23.html) party. > > Not that said asshole should be held against them, sice they’d much rather he fuck off and die; I’m just dismissing your automatic attachment of Phelps to the Republicans \*\* Once upon a time, Phelps was prolly a caring human being too, and Hitler loved dogs. My suposition was based upon the usual marriage btwn Fundies and the Republicans, nothing more. How many rabid fundies do you know who are Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/25 "2002-10-30T07:59:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\* > > Once upon a time, Phelps was prolly a caring human being too, and Hitler loved dogs. > > My suposition was based upon the usual marriage btwn Fundies and the Republicans, nothing more. How many rabid fundies do you know who are Democrats? \*\* You mean including EarthFirst! and their ilk? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/26 "2002-10-30T08:13:52Z")
[Wellstone Farewell Becomes Political](http://www.kare11.com/news/news-article.asp?NEWS_ID=37572): > [@](#): > > The event that began as a poignant farewell to the late Senator Paul Wellstone Tuesday evening culminated in a furious series of partisan speeches. > > Wellstone’s family and friends exhorted supporters to help his ballot replacement to victory next week. > > The first eulogies were tender remembrances for the seven people killed along with Wellstone in a northern Minnesota plane crash Friday as were the initial remarks for Wellstone. > > The late senator had been locked in a difficult re-election battle with Republican Norm Coleman. > > Iowa Senator Tom Harkin called Wellstone “the soul of the Senate.” > > But by the end of his remarks, Harkin had shed his jacket and was imploring the crowd of about 15,000 to work on Wellstone’s behalf. > > Wellstone’s friend and former student Rick Kahn whipped up the crowd before Harkin took the stage by adopting the late senator’s fiery speaking style. > > . . . > > Kahn’s comments, which came more than an hour into the planned two-hour tribute shocked media outlets across the state which were carrying the event live. Viewers and listeners were outraged. By 10:15 p.m., KARE TV’s operator had logged more than 100 calls. It is unknown how many call went to the station’s overflow voicemail system. > > . . . > > The crowd erupted with cheers as Walter Mondale entered Williams Arena. Only former President Bill Clinton rivaled the applause for Mondale. > > Other Democratic luminaries who received large ovations included former Vice President Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy and the Reverend Jesse Jackson. > > . . . > > The remembrances turned political when the first of four speakers to talk about Wellstone, campaign treasurer Rick Kahn, took the podium. > > “We are going to win this election for Paul Wellstone.” > Several times throughout his speech, Kahn begged the Democratic crowd to vote on November fifth to keep Wellstone’s legacy alive. > Kahn even called on Republican senators in attendance to stand up in the election’s final days and to urge others to keep Wellstone’s dreams going forward. > Kahn told the crowd: “We can redeem the promise of his life if you win this election for Paul Wellstone.” > Kahn’s speech has raised anger in Democrats and Republicans alike. > > One Republican official said Kahn’s speech will benefit the GOP. He said call were flooding in to party headquarters, with many callers offering to donate money. So a eulogy is whipped up into a rah-rah political rally. Real classy. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/27 "2002-10-30T14:06:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*… Just days before his death, Drudge was spreading a smear about Socialist youth busing to Minnesota to take advantage of same-day registration and voting laws in MN. This gross canard was gleefully picked up by the Orca of the Airwaves, Mr. Limbaugh. > \*\* So the Republicans knew or should have known in advance that Wellstone was going to die, and not campaigned against him? You are accusing Republicans of being either complicit in his death, or psychic. Which sounds, frankly, a little paranoid. Weren’t you the one starting [a thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=141080) about the serious problem of election fraud, and why it needed to be fixed so as not to invalidate the elections? Why are your concerns valid, and those of the Right automatically false and hypocritical? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\* > Further, right wing business interests flagrantly flouted election finance laws to pump a million dollars into the Coleman campaign. > \*\* For someone who claims such a deep commitment to the truth, you seem awfully ready to publish lies about your opponents. Which would you prefer to supply, a cite, or a withdrawal? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\* > Suddenly, he’s dead and the Pubbies are falling all over themselves to praise his “courage”, to praise principles they despised. What utter rot. When they discover thier admiration for Mr. Wellstones courage and principles? Certainly there was no evidence of it before he was dead. > \*\* Also false. Wellstone was the one who began his Senate career by publicly declaiming how much he despised Jesse Helms. Helms’ response was to befriend him, and to issue a message of sympathy upon learning of his death. They worked together on the Foreign Relations committee. No one is “praising principles they despised”. All the responses I have heard from the Right side of the aisle run along the lines of “I may have disagreed with him, but he seemed to be fighting for things he believed in”. [See for yourself.](http://www.nbc17.com/news/1740983/detail.html) You seem to suffer from the same failing that a lot of liberals have - the inability to distinguish between a political opponent, and an enemy. Wellstone began his career suffering from the same flaw. To his credit, he outgrew it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/28 "2002-10-30T17:35:37Z")
Actually, Shodan, Ted Rall has already accused the Republicans of assassinating Wellstone. Partisan politics is such a sad, sad business. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/29 "2002-10-30T20:05:23Z")
Minneapolis radio personality Tom Barnard [wished for Wellstone’s death on the air](http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3395332.html) about a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2002, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/30 "2002-10-30T20:57:41Z")
**Shodan** > [@](#): > > So the Republicans knew or should have known in advance that Wellstone was going to die, and not campaigned against him? > > You are accusing Republicans of being either complicit in his death, or psychic. Which sounds, frankly, a little paranoid. Huh? Where in the hell did you get this little gem? Time to check the label on your medication. Is it 2 every 4 hours, and maybe not 4 every 2 hours? Because, not to put to fine a point on it, this has nothing whatever to do with anything I have said so far. Or, to put it another way, what the heck are you talking about? > [@](#): > > Weren’t you the one starting a thread about the serious problem of election fraud, and why it needed to be fixed so as not to invalidate the elections? Why are your concerns valid, and those of the Right automatically false and hypocritical? Meanwhile, back in outer space… What possible connection can there be between election problems and Wellstone’s death? The truth is out there. Way, way out there. Are you registered to vote in Area 51? > [@](#): > > For someone who claims such a deep commitment to the truth, you seem awfully ready to publish lies about your opponents. Which would you prefer to supply, a cite, or a withdrawal? Happy to oblige. Joe Conasons article has the best surmise on the whole _mishigas_, but if you google “Americans for Job Security” + Wellstone you can get just oodles and gobs of cites. [http://www.salon.com/politics/conason/2002/10/24/bush/](http://www.salon.com/politics/conason/2002/10/24/bush/), titled the most ridiculous, shameless lie this campaign season. Tough competetion, that. > [@](#): > > No one is “praising principles they despised”. Now, here, you finally got something. Poorly worded on my part, obviously the Pubbies would rather nail thier collective pecker to a tree than be caught dead praising Wellstone’s principles. > [@](#): > > You seem to suffer from the same failing that a lot of liberals have - the inability to distinguish between a political opponent, and an enemy… If only we would learn from those paragons of civil discourse, like Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich and thier ilk. Wouldn’t that be swell, huh, Scooter? Democrats sending around lists of adjectives for thier opponents like “pathetic”, “corrupt”, etc. Yeah, your guys are at the very forefront of the movement. Sure thing. You betcha! ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/31 "2002-10-31T07:18:00Z")
'lucid need to fix the link to ol’ joe. (remove the comma at the end) FTR there are lots of sites/cites/sights when Googling, but many of them are 404’s. None as good as [this, tho!](http://www.clint.ca/oops/) Caution: Expletives used; don’t open the link above at work. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/32 "2002-10-31T13:55:04Z")
Based on the top cartoon now featured in **Milossarian’s** link, Cagle is nicely dishing it out to the Democrats as well. All things considered, and knowing what politicians are, I’m not particularly offended by the original cartoon in question. Except that’s one misguided smirking elephant. It should look _worried_. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/33 "2002-10-31T14:33:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by PhiloVance \* > **None as good as [this, tho!](http://www.clint.ca/oops/)** **PhiloVance** , that’s very funny, but it also includes a bit of unintentional humor: > [@](#): > > I’ve seen you mispell the word “the”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/34 "2002-10-31T16:37:36Z")
Thanks, and a tip of the hat to **Philo**. Anybody misses it its Joe Conason, at [Salon.com](http://Salon.com). I tried to find something on the previous “Socialists being bused to MN to vote for Wellstone” fooforah, best is this from the local Strib: [http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3370493.html](http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3370493.html) Drudge took the story down toot sweet, but not before Rush, the Orca of the Airwaves, spread it far and wee. And, **Philo** , I’d hate to miss your link, but it didn’t work. Help? And Ted Rall? I do not understand Mr. Rall at all. His artwork looks like he attended the Bizzaro World School of Cartooning. But I guess its only fair, we get him, they get Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, whats-his-face, the local guy, Oliver North, and others… Balance, you know. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/35 "2002-10-31T18:59:45Z")
> [@](#): > > And, Philo, I’d hate to miss your link, but it didn’t work. Help? Well… in plain english…er…urlish it’s [http://www.clint.ca/oops/](http://www.clint.ca/oops/) And I seem to get it ok. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431/36 "2002-10-31T19:13:03Z")
Maybe I did get it ok, but am so used to seeing that “No, you can’t” page, I thought it was the genuine article. At any rate, pretty good. If he had taken more time, he could have made it shorter. Thanks for the chuckle! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/slate-and-its-editorial-cartoonist-and-anyone-who-thinks-this-way-may-fuck-off/134431.md?page=1)