It boggles the mind that Hillary’s loss is still being portrayed as a failure to reach the white working class. If only she had did this. If only she has said that. Then the poor whites would’ve seen the light. *All yall fucking kidding me? *
Hillary lost because urban and minority voters in swing states did not vote like they should’ve. See this analysis.
Dems can keep trying to appeal to the demographic group least receptive to progressive politics and most culturally biased to Republicans, but they will lose if they let that become all they focus on. I mean, Trump still has an approval rating in the high 30’s, despite all the idiocy he has done. If 36% of the population–most of whom belong to that white working class we’re supposed to be wringing our hands over–still think Trump is great, we are talking about people who are impervious to reason. Hillary can’t be faulted for this, sorry.
That did play a role, but the dems are losing high school educated whites (who make up 1/3 of the electorate).
In 2008 Obama lost them by about 14 points. In 2012 he lost them by about 27 points. In 2016 hillary lost them by 39 points.
So the margin that the GOP wins the white working class (if you define working class as a high school education) has been growing.
if the WWC are a stable 1/3 of the electorate, that 25 point margin shift to the GOP from 2008-2016 works out to about an 8 point move to the right in total votes for the GOP. Millennials, non-whites and the highly educated are moving left but the WWC are moving right and balancing it out.
The problem though is that the WWC may be voting GOP for cultural reasons, and whatever economic reasons they vote the democrats can’t run on (getting rid of illegal immigrants so the WWC do not have to compete with them).
I’m talking about your particular phrasing. Saying ‘____ didn’t vote like they should have’ sounds an awful lot like ‘_____ are supposed to vote for Hillary’ to me. I find the phrasing grating, but it’s just a personal objection of no real consequence. Carry on.
No mind reading required. Trump lacked specifics about what “Make America great again” meant which allowed the listener to decide the meaning on their own. A great many of those listeners decided he meant something along the lines of white men deserve more than anyone else. I don’t have to read their minds to know they thought this because they told us that they thought this.
Chronos also mentioned, “Take our country back.” Who would be taking the country back from who. Many people filled in these blanks and assumed this meant that white males would be taking the country back. Again this is a thing they discussed openly. No mind reading necessary.
Do you see how “Trump … allowed the listener to decide the meaning on their own” is a far, far cry from ‘Trump told white men: you deserve more than everyone else’?
Professional fat cat politicians in Washington and their banker overlords. He was often rather explicit and it’s the oldest “outsider” line in the playbook. Why did you imagine different?
There were guys like Rick Tyler of Tennessee who put up a billboard that read, “Make America white again,” in his run for congress.
If Trump made some attempt to disabuse these folks of their racist ideas of what his message was he’d be blameless. He didn’t do that. Trump didn’t even tell them they were wrong. He’s been silent on the issue.
So Trump probably didn’t mean, “Make America white again,” when he said, “Make America great again,” but he sure does look like a guy who was OK with people thinking that.
That guy was running as an independent and was not a Trump supporter. But sure, since he made a racist play on words with Trump’s slogan so it’s totally fair to lay that on Trump’s camapign.
Wasn’t the very first thing said by Patton Oswalt the next day,“Wow, today we found out America is more sexist than racist. And America is racist as hell.”
Or Samantha Bee, “Go to hell White America.”
Way to be in touch. More intelligent liberals said, “Dear Dems, this celebrity spokesman thing and sneering at Chachi isn’t working. Please try a different tact.”
Prior to the election we had “Go to hell Bernie Bros. Form your own party.” Lovely.
A slogan that isn’t thoroughly fleshed out? Yes, that is unusual. :roll eyes:
But leaving that aside, what exactly do you mean by “a great many”? Just roughly. Round it off to the nearest 1M people, and let us know what your source is. Since it’s not mind reading, I’m sure it’s well documented somewhere.
See above.
Actually, don’t bother. You won’t be able to. We all know that. And besides, this is thread is about Hillary. The fact that some folks are trying to hijack it into a discussion about Trump is a perfect example of one thing Hillary did wrong in the campaign.
I should collate these before multi-posting, I’m sorry.
…and the continuation Of “State-shaming”, (ex: “Fucking Oklahoma”*) Or, “Those people in Alabama deserve everything they get!” Really? Including the millions of liberals and dems there? You’re not changing hearts and minds people.
and “Damn those white racist, stereotyping Nascar lovers!” (irony)…does nothing to disabuse white people of the notion that THEY are the last ethnic group that it’s ok to be racist against.
Hint: It’s American Indians. Indians.
*And liberals in those states do it themselves as much as out of staters." Ihave never been so ashamed today to be an Oklahoman!"…really? So the vagaries of random chance and geography have made you ashamed?
I agree with this, even if I disagree you that Hillary “lost” working class white voters that Obama had in 2008 and 2012. I don’t think Hillary ever had a chance with this voting block, so they were never hers to “lose”. It doesn’t take a genius to see why.
It’s no small thing that Obama was voted into office by a public fed up with an unpopular Republican. Clinton didn’t have that particular wind pushing her sails; her running after 8 years of Democratic rule meant a uphill battle. Now add on the Clinton baggage that comes with the Clinton name, and her gender. Uphill is an understatement.
Could she have knocked on every door in the heartland and kissed every baby and promised every laid-off factory worker that she would bring manufacturing jobs back to the US? Of course. Would it have changed the outcome of the race? I seriously doubt it. Seems to me she would have had a much better ROI if she’d set up some get out the vote drives and had Obama do more stumping for her at colleges and urban areas.
If Trump runs again, the Dems should be able to run a mule against him and win. Provided that mule isn’t named Clinton or that woman in Mass who made the same mistakes on a lesser scale. The one who said “What should I do, shake hands at Fenway??”
If it’s not Trump, the Dems will need to run someone with more charisma than say…Mondale. Mondale is the bar. Higher than Mondale.