# Sleepy Hollow **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 17, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020 "2013-09-17T01:55:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/61 "2013-09-21T05:20:32Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > The Village of Sleepy Hollow has a population of 144,000? That is a decent sized city! (The real Sleepy Hollow is ~10,000) I love this because it turns the “nice small town” vibe they’re clearly going for into one of the biggest cities in the state. But it was nicely ridiculous, I’m in. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/62 "2013-09-21T06:02:13Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Which generation are you referring to? Old people? Because Highlander was made before I was born but it’s still pretty popular in my social circle. It’s basically considered to be the definition of a low budget cult classic. It used to run on what was essentially a continuous loop on several different cable channels when we were kids. Even the pretty girls are familiar with it. If you put pictures of your vacation to Scotland on Facebook expect at least a 4 to 1 ratio of Highlander to Braveheart jokes. > > As for Sleepy Hollow, I found its insanity to be charming and entertaining. It’s as if the writers set out to make the least original work ever, but took some LSD during the creative process and accidentally made something that was so derivative and a mismatch of so many different cliches that they somehow created something unique… I’m of the generation that was saddened but not surprised to see Clancy Brown die because he died in _The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai_. The drug-addled brainstorm that you describe resulting in this show reminds me of what I’d imagined leading to that mixed up masterpiece of cinema. Throw a bit of “Rip Van Winkle” into the story of Ichabod Crane? A touch of _Supernatural_? How about _Illuminatus_–hey, it’s the Eye in the Triangle! I caught this tonight & plan to keep watching. Of course the history is not Our History. And the pretty little town isn’t in New York State–but it’s beautiful & atmospheric. The population of 144,000 is not accurate but is [fraught with mystical significance](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144000_(number))–in myth & legend systems beyond the Christian one. Some really scary bits, touches of humor & interesting actors. Tom Mison certainly looks better as Ichabod Crane than as Potty Perowne in _Parade’s End_… ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/63 "2013-09-21T09:11:39Z")
I was severely annoyed that yet again some numskulls failed to get the name of the Book of Revelation right. Twice! I was otherwise enjoying it, but that ruined it for me. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/64 "2013-09-21T22:32:52Z")
I just watched the pilot online; I liked it quite a bit, and I’ll keep watching. I enjoy horror-themed stuff a lot, and I’ll support shows like this that are at least somewhat decent every chance I get. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/65 "2013-09-22T02:22:53Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > I was severely annoyed that yet again some numskulls failed to get the name of the Book of Revelation right. Twice! I was otherwise enjoying it, but that ruined it for me. That seems like a dumb reason not to like a show. Crane is a soldier, not a scholar or priest. Or pedant. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/66 "2013-09-22T13:09:55Z")
yes, I think there is something in endtimes prophecy that uses that particular number. Perhaps the idea of that being the number of people who will wind up in heaven, or somesuch. Yup, Wiki. the number is all over the place in religions and New Age philosophizing. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/67 "2013-09-22T13:32:48Z")
Hubby and I got into a heated discussion about whether or not the citizens of TV Sleepy Hollow are aware of the story. I maintain that they most definitely do not. Hubby swears the polygraph guy looked incredulous when Ichabod stated his name. Also, am I the only one who cannot take the guy from Mad TV seriously? I keep waiting for him to sit on a leather chair and accidentally make a carting sound. “Good day, sir. I said ‘Good day!’” ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/68 "2013-09-22T13:48:07Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > That seems like a dumb reason not to like a show. Crane is a soldier, not a scholar or priest. Or pedant. Actually, Crane was a professor of History at Oxford. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/69 "2013-09-22T13:49:36Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Hubby and I got into a heated discussion about whether or not the citizens of TV Sleepy Hollow are aware of the story. I maintain that they most definitely do not. Hubby swears the polygraph guy looked incredulous when Ichabod stated his name. I was wondering that, too. On the one hand, the writers could have handled this with some handwaving, something about how this guy is obviously a fruitcake because he believes he’s a fictional character, only to have someone uncover a hint that Irving was actually recording a local legend about people who actually lived, changed the details and story for his own purposes, and there you have it… or, (and this seems to have been their choice) in this fictional world, Irving never wrote the tale to begin with, therefore no one bats an eye. I would have liked some sort of acknowledgment of the story, if only because it makes suspension of disbelief a bit harder when something that well-known is completely ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/70 "2013-09-22T16:01:57Z")
I barely caught it, but isn’t the captain’s name Irving? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/71 "2013-09-22T18:14:33Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > I barely caught it, but isn’t the captain’s name Irving? Big short fat Irving. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/72 "2013-09-22T19:44:35Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > That seems like a dumb reason not to like a show. Crane is a soldier, not a scholar or priest. Or pedant. That would take an extremely dumb soldier to misread the title when he was holding the fucking Bible in his hands open to the fucking Book of Revelation right in front of him and looking right at it. It isn’t dumb of me to dislike stupidity. Soldier or detective or demon hunter, whatever, Crane shows considerable intelligence and just cannot be _that_ dumb. But the fucking script writers can. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/73 "2013-09-22T19:52:40Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > Actually, Crane was a professor of History at Oxford. In the original story, he was a schoolmaster. Presumably literate. In a time when everybody read the Bible a lot. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/74 "2013-09-22T21:27:57Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Crane shows considerable intelligence and just cannot be _that_ dumb. But the fucking script writers can. Right. The fucking scriptwriters can. And the fucking actor can. And the fucking director can. And the fucking everybody else on the set who either didn’t catch it, or thought it was too insignificant to mention it between takes. So it’s at least plausible that Crane can. I was about 12 before I stopped calling it “Revelations,” because that’s what every one of my Sunday School and Summer Bible School teachers called it. It’s just like “nucular” or “irregardless” or “I could care less.” It’s something millions of Americans say, including Presidents with Ivy League degrees. I didn’t say it makes you dumb to get so exercised about it, but I still think it’s a dumb reason to not watch a show. Of all the things in this show to refuse to suspend your disbelief over, that has to be last on the list. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/75 "2013-09-22T21:33:54Z")
Again, most people aren’t that pedantic. Was the bible even open to the title page of Revelations? The bookmark was set to a particular verse. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/76 "2013-09-22T21:54:17Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > That would take an extremely dumb soldier to misread the title when he was holding the fucking Bible in his hands open to the fucking Book of Revelation right in front of him and looking right at it. It isn’t dumb of me to dislike stupidity. Soldier or detective or demon hunter, whatever, Crane shows considerable intelligence and just cannot be _that_ dumb. But the fucking script writers can. I didn’t realize until this thread that it was “Revelation,” and not “Revelations.” Thanks for pointing out exactly how fucking stupid I am, **Johanna**. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/77 "2013-09-22T23:12:15Z")
I struggle with pronouncing Job and Ecclesiastes, so bugger Revelation(s). ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/78 "2013-09-22T23:26:26Z")
I always thought the full name was ‘the revelation of John on Patmos’ but it looks like no one refers to it that way. I can see tacking an ‘s’ on the end though. It’s only 20 pages (pre-print of [KJV online](http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/revelation-kjv.html)) but seems to go on forever. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/79 "2013-09-22T23:34:40Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I always thought the full name was ‘the revelation of John on Patmos’ but it looks like no one refers to it that way. I can see tacking an ‘s’ on the end though. It’s only 20 pages (pre-print of [KJV online](http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/revelation-kjv.html)) but seems to go on forever. I always thought it was the Apocalypses. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sleepy-hollow/669020/80 "2013-09-22T23:46:12Z")
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