So you would agree that the problem here is men. Right?
Hey, me too, sorta. I was propositioned by a male manager, and was the object of frequent jokes and comments about my breasts. I complained, and got pressured into removing my complaint, because it would “cause problems” for the manager. I ended up being moved to a terrible position.
The point being that you sound like a whiny child. Clearly the event scarred you, because you mention it everywhere. I want to be sympathetic, but I can’t. The mockery of your peers isn’t even close to enough.
When I was working in the entertainment industry, there was one famous celebrity that I was warned about on a couple of occasions. This performer had a reputation for being handsy with women on the crew and not taking no for answer. I never worked with this person so I have no idea if the rumors were true. However, the celebrity under discussion was female.
This sums up exactly how I feel about the OP.
I’m not sure what “every single one” is supposed to mean in this context, but if you’re painting all men with the same broad brush, then I disagree and I think it’s unfortunate because I’m very sympathetic to your basic position and argument. It’s no coincidence that all these revelations are coming out at the same time; it’s a problem that has long existed and there’s been a tremendous amount of coverup going on. All of this is true, and these low-lifes are getting what they richly deserve.
I just think it’s unfortunate that your anger is causing you to lump all men into that same category. That’s simply not the case. I just can’t imagine myself, or most men I know, acting that way, and I think most would resent being told that they just don’t know themselves well enough when in fact in their value system any notion of unwanted sexual advances on a woman would be not just wrong, but unthinkable. Yes, sexual abuse is a lot more common than many have previously supposed, but that’s still many long country miles from being universal. To assume that every male is like that is no different than any other kind of offensive prejudice, a personal type categorization set up to be sneered at and feared, even if many or most members of the group are entirely innocent.
In the same spirit, while I condemn the things that Al Franken did, it’s counterproductive and undermines the power of your argument to claim that he is the equal of a Weinstein or a Moore, who were actual predators. As someone else said, such false equivalencies hamper progress. If you claim that a murderer and a litterer should both be equally condemned as lawbreakers, your argument has far less value than one that is more appropriately nuanced.
Hey, I’m totally on your side. I’m just trying to defuse what appears to be – unless I’ve misread it – an unproductive “I hate all men” argument.
Unlike most of us, Trump’s been both so we would should respect his judgment on this issue.
Sexual harassment is an event in a lot of people’s lives. It just doesn’t make headlines in cases where it doesn’t involve a celebrity.
I’ve got to admit I’ve struggled with it lately. On the one hand, I try not to discount anyone’s feeling and experiences. I have a friend that was deeply traumatized by a workplace incident ( her boss putting his hand on her rear) that I felt I would have easily deflected. But I know her feelings were genuine. But it’s hard for me to equate that story to those of women I know that were actually raped - even though some of them tried to shake it off and I know one that tried to turn it into a joke “I said no but he just HELPED HIMSELF”
But some of the #me too stuff has given me pause. Like the woman who shared the story of a guy that she met on Match that leaned in and tried to kiss her after the 3rd date even though she had told him she only wanted to be friends.
But I think it’s more about power abuse than gender. The stories in my background that make me angry are not the ones about advances I fielded and rejected, they are stories about the women who DID play along and slept with the bosses and got raises and promotions that weren’t available to me because I didn’t put out.
Let’s remember that this OP is the same poster who, just a month ago, argued adamantly that a teen-age boy should be arrested, charged, and prosecuted for pinching a teen-age girl on the butt. Here and elsewhere in that thread. She also argued in the same post that, with coerced apologies and sufficient groveling, charges could be dropped and everyone could move on.
Others in that thread (e.g., here) saw a direct line between that kid and Harvey Weinstein. Several other posters likewise saw no distinction between a teen-age butt pinch and all-out criminal sexual assault.
Uh, so far, the only progress I see being made is that women are free to express how fucking angry they are. Are you breaking out the champagne now?
Franken’s apology is extremely weaselly. The only thing he actually admits to doing is the picture, which there’s really no denying since it’s a picture. He doesn’t confirm or deny either the tongue kissing or butt-grabbing, he just says that he’s sorry they feel bad about whatever it was that he did. The first and last items you list are clearly hyperbole, and the middle one is exactly what he didn’t do - admit to the wrongdoing that is supposedly being apologized for.
If I’m accused of stealing cookies and a slice of cake, and there’s a picture of me eating the cake, the Franken-style apology would be something like “It was definitely wrong of me to take that picture of the cake. And I’m sorry that you feel that your cookies are missing, but I don’t remember the cookie presence issue the same way.” See how hollow it is? There’s no apology for the actual action of stealing cookies, just that I’m sorry that you have feelings about the cookies.
Not been paying much attention to political news, lately? (i.e. “That picture’s ‘fake news’!”)
I believe those two belong on the list.
You’d think that after YEARS of being told by men, including in threads on this board, that sexual harassment was not really that common, not that big a deal, not even a thing because nobody they knew did stuff like that…that famous video of that walking woman getting the catcalls must’ve been faked, and golly gee, all those women making false rape accusations… After all this, you’d think I’d be THRILLED to be proven right about the prevalence of sexual harassment all along.
I’m not. I’m just tired. And disgusted.
Sez the guy who gets off on and posted regularly about molesting underage, mentally challenged, gender-confused kids. Your defense of Franken just shows the kind of pervert you are.
And btw:
Moore is a fucking douchebag
Franken is a fucking douchebag
Weinstein is a fucking douchebag
Trump is a fucking douchebag.
What part of “Don’t fucking harass women”, REGARDLESS OF YOUR GODDAMN POLITICS is so hard for diseased sickos like you to get?
Am I really that transparent? …
Gimme a break! An 18yo with a 16yo GF, does not a child molester make.:rolleyes:
And a few weeks later people are complaining that they’re tired of hearing about it, it’s a manufactured controversy, women are sharing their stories just to take part in the frenzy, and not because anything really happened. I wonder how long any one will be empowered to keep sharing.
Didn’t read the thread, did you?
So…she’s not 16, she’s not 15, and he doesn’t want to “think too hard” about the fact that she had to be 14 or less.
And he’s bragged about other kids he’s done it to.
Well then, I take back my rolleyes. My apologies. 