# Smapti is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")
The rules of the pit forbid me from truly expressing my hatred for this sniveling, spineless piece of shit, so I shall attempt to work around that. Smapti has never met a war crime he didn’t like. He is a coward who would destroy everything America should be to protect himself from a handful of incompetent cave-dwellers. He believes that all blame for the misdeeds of his beloved CIA and NSA should lie with those who refuse to whitewash their crimes, and not with the individuals who spend their days shitting on the Constitution. He revels in his ignorance, always bleating about how much better things would be if the world just let his jack-booted puppeteers do our thinking for us. In short, he is a poor effigy of a human being, an invertebrate that somehow learned to mash a keyboard to create a crude semblance of human conversation, without once engaging in that practice he so despises: thought. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/2 "2014-05-21T08:26:47Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Smapti has never met a war crime he didn’t like. “War crime” is what the winner calls it when the loser did the same things the winner would have done in their shoes. > [@](#): > > He is a coward who would destroy everything America should be to protect himself from a handful of incompetent cave-dwellers. Lofty ideals about freedom and privacy don’t mean a lot to a corpse who’s just had a skyscraper dropped on it. You’ll keep in mind that the fundamental freedoms spoken of in the Constitution are “_life_, liberty, and property”, in that order. When “a handful of incompetent cave-dwellers” can exploit the holes in our system to murder thousands of people in cold blood, then I’m all for changing the rules if the rules are stopping us from protecting American life. > [@](#): > > He believes that all blame for the misdeeds of his beloved CIA and NSA should lie with those who refuse to whitewash their crimes, and not with the individuals who spend their days shitting on the Constitution. Are we better off knowing about the CIA’s vaccination program than we were before? Before it was exposed, people were being vaccinated and we were able to collect data to keep our people safe and hunt down those who would do us harm. Now, people are afraid to get vaccinated and we’ve lost an important source of intel. If Lavabit had done its patriotic duty, the NSA could have continued to track lawbreakers for years while all the while they thought their crimes were going unnoticed. Now, we’ve lost that avenue too. Why does the right of terrorists and anarchists to plot murder and violence trump my right to live? > [@](#): > > He revels in his ignorance, always bleating about how much better things would be if the world just let his jack-booted puppeteers do our thinking for us. No, I _cherish_ freedom of thought and expression. That’s why I want my government to have the power to protect it from people who would see us all dead for praying the wrong way. > [@](#): > > In short, he is a poor effigy of a human being, an invertebrate that somehow learned to mash a keyboard to create a crude semblance of human conversation, without once engaging in that practice he so despises: thought. If you say so. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/3 "2014-05-21T08:30:28Z")
Thanks Smapti. I was going to ask the OP for a link to back up his claims but you have provided some good examples to work with locally. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/4 "2014-05-21T08:38:14Z")
The CIA’s “vaccination programs”? Do I even want to ask? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/5 "2014-05-21T08:44:57Z")
For reference, [The CIA admits to using vaccination programs for spying](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=723839) > [@Smapti](#): > > " > Lofty ideals about freedom and privacy don’t mean a lot to a corpse who’s just had a skyscraper dropped on it. You’ll keep in mind that the fundamental freedoms spoken of in the Constitution are “_life_, liberty, and property”, in that order. When “a handful of incompetent cave-dwellers” can exploit the holes in our system to murder thousands of people in cold blood, then I’m all for changing the rules if the rules are stopping us from protecting American life. You are an idiot. Just the flu, by itself, kills more Americans every year than Osama Bin Laden ever did in his wildest dreams. Giving a huge part of the world genuine evidence that vaccine programs were involved in any form of government conspiracy just signed the death warrants of exponentially more people than everyone Al Qaeda has ever killed worldwide. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/6 "2014-05-21T08:50:34Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > You are an idiot. Just the flu, by itself, kills more Americans every year than Osama Bin Laden ever did in his wildest dreams. Giving a huge part of the world genuine evidence that vaccine programs were involved in any form of government conspiracy just signed the death warrants of exponentially more people than everyone Al Qaeda has ever killed worldwide. So you agree with me that the people who exposed this program are accessories to mass murder, then. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/7 "2014-05-21T08:54:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So you agree with me that the people who exposed this program are accessories to mass murder, then. Obviously not. As noted: you are an idiot. The truth would have come out one way or another. The people who exposed it saved many lives by limiting the damage to what it is and preventing it from continuing. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/8 "2014-05-21T08:55:32Z")
Dude’s paranoia makes him get behind anything that looks like it might reduce threats to him (and him alone, others don’t matter anywhere near as much). For a good example, see this thread about organ donation where he starts off with a reasonable enough justification and ends up revealing his delusions: [Opt out organ donation and relatives' wishes - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=695406) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/9 "2014-05-21T08:56:24Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > The truth would have come out one way or another. The people who exposed it saved many lives by limiting the damage to what it is and preventing it from continuing. Maybe it would’ve come out next year. Maybe it would’ve come out 50 years from now after everyone involved was already dead. We’ll never know. What we do know is that those lives _are_ in danger now because of some lone wolf’s decision that “information wants to be free” trumps national security. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/10 "2014-05-21T08:57:37Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Dude’s paranoia makes him get behind anything that looks like it might reduce threats to him (and him alone, others don’t matter anywhere near as much). I’ve never said that others don’t matter, but if I’m dead, knowing that other people aren’t is small comfort (notwithstanding that there isn’t even a me _left_ at that point to know.) ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/11 "2014-05-21T09:06:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Maybe it would’ve come out next year. Maybe it would’ve come out 50 years from now after everyone involved was already dead. We’ll never know. What we do know is that those lives _are_ in danger now because of some lone wolf’s decision that “information wants to be free” trumps national security. No those lives are in danger now because other delusional cowards like you decided it was better to risk millions of lives worldwide in order to snuff out one guy they were afraid was a threat to them. Maybe the CIA could rig every 5th car in the world to explode the next time it is started. I bet we could wipe out a lot of bad guys that way too. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/12 "2014-05-21T09:12:47Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > No those lives are in danger now because other delusional cowards like you decided it was better to risk millions of lives worldwide in order to snuff out one guy they were afraid was a threat to them. Right. That’s why we spent fifteen years hunting Osama bin Laden - it was because we were _afraid_ he was a threat. It’s not like he ever _actually_ did anything to threaten us, right? That old horse thief! The program wasn’t a risk to _anyone_ as long as it remained clandestine. It was doing a public service that probably wouldn’t have gotten done at all if not for the CIA’s expenditure. > [@](#): > > Maybe the CIA could rig every 5th car in the world to explode the next time it is started. I bet we could wipe out a lot of bad guys that way too. Because the CIA totally just kills random people with no rhyme or reason whatsoever on the hopes that maybe they were a bad guy. And _I’m_ the idiot here? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/13 "2014-05-21T09:15:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because the CIA totally just kills random people with no rhyme or reason whatsoever on the hopes that maybe they were a bad guy. Apparently so, or at least on the hopes that maybe they will catch a bad guy. > [@Smapti](#): > > And _I’m_ the idiot here? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/14 "2014-05-21T09:16:33Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Apparently so, or at least on the hopes that maybe they will catch a bad guy. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/15 "2014-05-21T09:19:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Cite? See post #5. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/16 "2014-05-21T09:24:07Z")
The next time someone asks me why many the rest of us non-Yanks don’t trust Americans to play world policeman, I’m going to have this thread to link to, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/17 "2014-05-21T09:25:00Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > See post #5. Where does post #5 say anything about the CIA killing random people in the hopes that one of them is a bad guy? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/18 "2014-05-21T09:33:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The next time someone asks me why many the rest of us non-Yanks don’t trust Americans to play world policeman, I’m going to have this thread to link to, so there’s that. In our defense, the vast majority of Americans think Smapti is an idiot. We can manage him, but sadly we don’t have any control over the rest. If more whistleblowers muster the guts to shine a light on the situation and force public awareness, a prerequisite to any change, maybe in time we will. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/19 "2014-05-21T09:34:20Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > If more whistleblowers muster the guts to shine a light on the situation and force public awareness, a prerequisite to any change, maybe in time we will. “Public awareness” is not an end in and of itself. Sometimes, it’s a detriment. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/20 "2014-05-21T09:35:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “Public awareness” is not an end in and of itself. Sometimes, it’s a detriment. It is the beginning of any necessary social or political change. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=2)