# Smapti is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/701 "2014-09-12T09:09:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Am I supposed to have a moral obligation to provide aid and succor to _tortoises_ now? Well, he’s a replicant. Not advanced enough to be a Nexus-6, probably a 3 or 4. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/702 "2014-09-12T12:01:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So they weren’t evil, they were just stupid. That’s _much_ better. Many were evil. Many were stupid. Most were more ignorant than people nowadays. > [@](#): > > This is the problem with trying to define morality as an objective standard that is universal irrespective of time and place - eventually, you wind up having to define millions or billions of people, or even the majority of the human race, as either evil or stupid. Through most of history, most people were either ignorant or evil. And many were stupid as well. And many were all three. > [@](#): > > And _that_ is chauvinistic, self-centric, and repugnant. Says the guy who would do nothing to help a group of slaves, and try and justify his inaction. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/703 "2014-09-12T15:09:00Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Well, he’s a replicant. Not advanced enough to be a Nexus-6, probably a 3 or 4. Whew. Thank you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/704 "2014-09-12T16:00:12Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Well, he’s a replicant. Not advanced enough to be a Nexus-6, probably a 3 or 4. I think we’re going to have to recalibrate the Voight-Kampff Test; it’s bottoming out on this one… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/705 "2014-09-12T16:01:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I am obliged to follow the local laws. Well, then, how do you weasel around James Clapper’s obligation to follow the law “Thou Shalt Not Lie Under Oath In Congressional Testimony”? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/706 "2014-09-12T16:48:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Jump to conclusions much? I never said I _wouldn’t_ flip the tortoise back over - there’s no sense in letting an animal suffer needlessly. I just objected to the idea that I have some sort of moral obligation to reptiles. Oh, bullshit. When, instead of answering “yes”, you come out with “Am I supposed to have a moral obligation to provide aid and succor to tortoises now?”, you’re implying you wouldn’t give a shit. I get that you’re some kind of Asperger’s Stormtrooper-bot, but that doesn’t mean when people misunderstand you it isn’t still your fault. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/707 "2014-09-15T19:04:13Z")
And the smap-smap-smap of jackboots on cobblestone rings out on [yet another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17732887&postcount=309)… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/708 "2014-09-15T19:09:02Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > And the smap-smap-smap of jackboots on cobblestone rings out on [yet another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17732887&postcount=309)… Because insisting that people give their _name_ when asked makes you a fascist, now. I never realized that every time in my life I’ve ever said “Pleased to meet you, what’s your name?” that I was perpetuating injustice and evil. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/709 "2014-09-15T19:11:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because insisting that people give their _name_ when asked makes you a fascist, now. > > I never realized that every time in my life I’ve ever said “Pleased to meet you, what’s your name?” that I was perpetuating injustice and evil. If you’ve ever detained someone solely because they didn’t respond, then you certainly were perpetuating injustice and evil. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/710 "2014-09-15T19:23:04Z")
I’ve seen this thread before, but I didn’t give it too much attention. Dealing with this asshole in the other thread makes me realize that the title of this thread is an understatement. I mean, he sounds like a guy who makes regular sorties just to try to find a cop he can bend over in front of. I cannot find any evidence of the guy feeling like any police power is too much. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/711 "2014-09-15T19:27:13Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I mean, he sounds like a guy who makes regular sorties just to try to find a cop he can bend over in front of. Again with this sex obsession of yours. I don’t think _I’m_ the one who dreams of Officer Friendly’s nightstick here. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/712 "2014-09-15T19:40:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Again with this sex obsession of yours. I don’t think _I’m_ the one who dreams of Officer Friendly’s nightstick here. Again, you’re the one who said you would give a cop a blowjob if so ordered. That’s pretty remarkable and very hard to forget. It also says a lot about your decision-making, and about why your position on being asked to show ID isn’t very meaningful. I mean, when someone says that they’re willing to go all the way, their criticism of someone who’s only willing to stop at first base has a bit of obvious bias. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/713 "2014-09-15T19:49:25Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Again, you’re the one who said you would give a cop a blowjob if so ordered. That’s pretty remarkable and very hard to forget. It also says a lot about your decision-making, and about why your position on being asked to show ID isn’t very meaningful. I mean, when someone says that they’re willing to go all the way, their criticism of someone who’s only willing to stop at first base has a bit of obvious bias. A cop who would order someone to fellate him is _not_ the kind of person who is likely to be dissuaded by telling them “I do not consent to this, am I free to go?” That person is a criminal, and one who is likely to do _worse_ things to you if you don’t follow along. Such is not the case with a cop who asks you for ID, which is a fully lawful exercise of his power and is in no way whatsoever criminal or abusive. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/714 "2014-09-15T19:57:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > A cop who would order someone to fellate him is _not_ the kind of person who is likely to be dissuaded by telling them “I do not consent to this, am I free to go?” That person is a criminal, and one who is likely to do _worse_ things to you if you don’t follow along. > > Such is not the case with a cop who asks you for ID, which is a fully lawful exercise of his power and is in no way whatsoever criminal or abusive. Like the old joke says, “Madam, we’ve already established what you are. Now we’re just haggling over the price.” ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/715 "2014-09-17T00:12:41Z")
Here is the [final, definitive, clinching proof](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17736520&postcount=26) of **Smapti** ’s moral and intellectual degeneracy. No decent person can defend that. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/716 "2014-09-17T05:44:19Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > Here is the [final, definitive, clinching proof](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17736520&postcount=26) of **Smapti** ’s moral and intellectual degeneracy. No decent person can defend that. Well, now you’re just being mean-spirited. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/717 "2014-09-28T21:38:19Z")
Can we collectively just stop engaging this person? Please? He seems to be learning, and while you’d think this would be a good thing, he’s learning from “ **Bricker** ’s school of legalistic pedantry”. So now in addition to being a smarmy douche with irrational, dangerous, and downright insane ideas born primarily out of his insane fear of the geopolitical equivalent of being struck by lightning, he’s also _completely insufferable about it_. Seriously, [look at this shit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735633&page=2)! > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > More pragmatically, because I do not trust my government unconditionally? > > Well, none of us are perfect. > > > [@](#): > > > > Because it is not some vast, monolithic entity with the sole purpose of doing good (this is almost exactly the same spiel I give conservatives who blame “big government” for everything wrong with the world) but rather is made up of people. And people can be vindictive, shitty, and all-around unpleasant. > > Then let’s not punish the government for the sins of the people. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > 1. Even legal information can cause damage. Take for instance the case of Martin Luther King Jr. As far as I know, he did nothing illegal but the FBI considered him (and wrote in a memo) that he was the “most dangerous and effective Negro leader in the country.” > > Which, to be fair, he was. > > > [@](#): > > > > Even though he was not a criminal the government surveilled him in an attempt to prove he was a communist, something they were never able to prove even though they installed wiretaps on his phones, in his home and in many of hotel rooms. They used the information they did find, on his personal, legal relationships to threaten him, to attempt to blackmail him, and in attempts to discredit him. > > And they failed, because the power of his message was greater than the power of their countermessage. > > > [@](#): > > > > How many erstwhile political leaders have been brought down through allegations of sexual but legal misconduct? > > None who would have made effective leaders anyway. There is _nothing of value to be gained_ by engaging this person. Please, let’s just collectively ignore him until he goes to troll some other forum. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/718 "2014-09-28T21:40:43Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > There is _nothing of value to be gained_ by engaging this person. The fact that you bothered to post such a screed refutes it. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/719 "2014-09-28T22:09:23Z")
Second person on my ignore list. It’s actually quite the accomplishment, all things considered. Now if only I could get everyone else to do it too… ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/720 "2014-09-28T23:04:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, now you’re just being mean-spirited. Wow, no sense of humor either! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=37)