# Smapti is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/61 "2014-05-21T15:07:31Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > The years after Wakefield’s hit piece saw a 12% drop in MMR vaccination rates in the UK - and that was all bullshit. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to not want to give the antivaxxers the opportunity to point to a genuine CIA conspiracy to subvert a vaccination program for their own purposes. Yeah. And then you have a goddamned measles outbreak in Wales twelve years later because of Wakefield and his minions. It was the single stupidest fucking thing the CIA could have done. It gave ammo to people who already fear vaccines for no good reason. Everyone who came up with this dumbass idea should be fired. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/62 "2014-05-21T16:00:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > If you think that this board is representative of the country, you need to take a road trip across the U.S. So you may want to dial your hatred of Americans back up to where it was. Naah, I’m aware the board skews Left. But the Right Wing of the board is _mostly_ OK. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/63 "2014-05-21T16:11:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What we do know is that those lives _are_ in danger now because of some lone wolf’s decision that “information wants to be free” trumps national security. I fucking hate wolves. Bunch of assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/64 "2014-05-21T16:20:27Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Dude’s paranoia makes him get behind anything that looks like it might reduce threats to him (and him alone, others don’t matter anywhere near as much). For a good example, see this thread about organ donation where he starts off with a reasonable enough justification and ends up revealing his delusions: [Opt out organ donation and relatives' wishes - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=695406) Wow. I knew **Smapti** was a craven, bootlicking, bigoted coward. But I had no idea he was crazy on top of everything else! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/65 "2014-05-21T16:28:44Z")
I never, ever, thought I would agree with **Grumman** on anything, but I was wrong; I agree with the OP on every point. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/66 "2014-05-21T16:31:13Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So you agree with me that the people who exposed this program are accessories to mass murder, then. I think he’s saying that the CIA should be doing an honest vaccination program without espionage to save a lot of lives, rather than use a useful program to save a small number of lives. Imagine for a second that the program’s inception was not done for the purposes of spying, that they are simply vaccinating people against diseases. Ultimately, it would have done more good than bad. We may not have gotten OBL, but more kids would be alive because of it ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/67 "2014-05-21T16:33:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Wow. I knew **Smapti** was a craven, bootlicking, bigoted coward. But I had no idea he was crazy on top of everything else! Dude, there’s no call for that. The guy wants to protect his precious bodily fluids from all those doctors who wish to deny him the purity of his essence, it’s perfectly sane. Perfectly sane. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/68 "2014-05-21T16:42:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Wow. I knew **Smapti** was a craven, bootlicking, bigoted coward. But I had no idea he was crazy on top of everything else! “Crazy” might be too strong a term. “Irrational”, certainly. At the very least, **Smapti** has written off any and all permutations of the “government snooping keeps us safe” argument. He’s already on record rejecting a _trivial_ adjustment to public policy (treating consent to donate as the default in the absence of a specific statement to the contrary) despite a _known_ life-saving effect that _cannot_ be achieved otherwise; he can’t very well come back and demand a _major_ adjustment (abandonment of personal data security) in search of an _alleged_ benefit that could _readily_ be obtained by other means (e.g. electing Presidents who pay attention to their damn daily intel summary memos). ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/69 "2014-05-21T16:47:36Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Dude, there’s no call for that. The guy wants to protect his precious bodily fluids from all those doctors who wish to deny him the purity of his essence, it’s perfectly sane. Perfectly sane. Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/70 "2014-05-21T17:18:38Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water? Yeah, but he was trying to commit Harry-Caray. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/71 "2014-05-21T18:00:12Z")
This pitting is long overdue. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/72 "2014-05-21T19:41:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Sure you will. As of now I’m not convinced you even work for the courts. Have no fear, no courts are necessary. [The whole thing can be done in secret](http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/) without bothering to print up any legal documentation or take up some judge’s time! (The linked article has a brief description of one of the snoops’ work-arounds to that pesky Fourth Amendment; I understand that Greenwald’s book paints a more complete portrait of our Argus-eyed Big Brother.) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/73 "2014-05-21T22:16:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Dude, there’s no call for that. The guy wants to protect his precious bodily fluids from all those doctors who wish to deny him the purity of his essence, it’s perfectly sane. Perfectly sane. You trivialize my opinion in order to reject it. I don’t care at all about my fluids or my essences. I care about my organs being harvested by opportunistic doctors working in for-profit enterprises with less than pure motivations. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/74 "2014-05-21T22:19:00Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I think he’s saying that the CIA should be doing an honest vaccination program without espionage to save a lot of lives, rather than use a useful program to save a small number of lives. That was never an option. The CIA wasn’t going to spend its money on vaccination programs with no intelligence benefit. The possibilities were “vaccinate the people and use the program to gather DNA” or “don’t vaccinate anyone”. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/75 "2014-05-21T22:21:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You trivialize my opinion in order to reject it. I don’t care at all about my fluids or my essences. I care about my organs being harvested by opportunistic doctors working in for-profit enterprises with less than pure motivations. Oh, no no no. You see, your opinion is trivial and absurd at its heart. And \*that \*is why everybody rejects it. Get the nuance ? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/76 "2014-05-21T22:27:00Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Oh, no no no. You see, your opinion is trivial and absurd at its heart. And \*that \*is why everybody rejects it. Get the nuance ? As demonstrated in the previous thread, it’s not absurd. It’s something that has happened several times, and would likely happen a lot more often if doctors knew they didn’t have to get your consent before vivisecting you. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/77 "2014-05-21T22:29:48Z")
Yes it is, General Ripper, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/78 "2014-05-21T22:38:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > As demonstrated in the previous thread, it’s not absurd. It’s something that has happened several times, and would likely happen a lot more often if doctors knew they didn’t have to get your consent before vivisecting you. So, uh… why is it, exactly, that a few stories of unethical doctors is enough for you vehemently oppose opt-in organ donation, but the entire history of human governments using their security apparatus to oppress their own citizenry isn’t enough to get you to bat an eye at the NSA’s activities? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/79 "2014-05-21T22:42:16Z")
Look, if you can’t grok the difference between exploded brown kids and **Smapti** ’s precious gallbladder, why one’s A-OK and the other untouchable, you just won’t ever get it, man. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/80 "2014-05-21T23:13:27Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I care about my organs being harvested by opportunistic doctors working in for-profit enterprises with less than pure motivations. > [@Smapti](#): > > That was never an option. The CIA wasn’t going to spend its money on vaccination programs with no intelligence benefit. The possibilities were “vaccinate the people and use the program to gather DNA” or “don’t vaccinate anyone”. We have here someone who believes that organlegger conspiracies are real and that the World Health Organization is fiction. Oh, and he says “I prefer to live in the real world”. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: > [@Smapti](#): > > As demonstrated in the previous thread, it’s not absurd. It’s something that has happened several times, and would likely happen a lot more often if doctors knew they didn’t have to get your consent before vivisecting you. Oh, well, then, if “something that has happened several times” is a compelling argument, we can end this now. You need only follow two simple steps: 1. Google the word “LOVEINT” 2. Admit the error of your Big Brother loving ways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=5)