# Smapti is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1061 "2014-12-08T23:44:19Z")
> [@Mithrander](#): > > As for my actions, I stand by them. I voiced my opinion that he’s a lying troll, which I still hold. At this point, I will consider the possibility that he’s just that fucked in the head, but I consider that less likely than he just knows how to push peoples buttons. Kind of reminds me of this exchange from “Mad Love”: > [@](#): > > **Batman:** You little fool. The Joker doesn’t love anything except himself. Wake up, Harleen. He had you pegged for hired help the minute you walked into Arkham. > **Harley:** That’s not… no. NO! He told me things, _secret_ things that he never told anyone! > **Batman:** Was it his line about the abusive father? Or the one about the runaway mom? He’s gained a lot of sympathy with that one. > **Harley:** Stop it! You’re making me confused! > **Batman:** What was it he told that one parole officer… Oh yeah, “There was only one time I ever saw Dad really happy. He took me to the ice show when I was seven.” > **Harley:** _(softly)_ Circus… He said it was the circus. > **Batman:** He’s got a million of them, Harley. > **Harley:** _(crying)_ YOU’RE WRONG! MY PUDDIN’ DOES LOVE ME! HE DOES! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1062 "2014-12-09T10:56:23Z")
Maybe we should haul cops up before a Grand Jury and have some indictments every time they _fail_ to kill someone. Dereliction of duty or something. I think Mr. **Smapti** would find that to be satisfactory. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1063 "2014-12-09T13:07:28Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Maybe we should haul cops up before a Grand Jury and have some indictments every time they _fail_ to kill someone. Dereliction of duty or something. I think Mr. **Smapti** would find that to be satisfactory. The Smapti standard is that all police encounters should end with a death. Or a blowjob. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1064 "2014-12-09T15:05:39Z")
Pittings like this present me with a quandary. I agree with **Smapti** ’s side on the OP: The fact that the CIA was secretly exploiting vaccination programs to combat terrorism does not detract from the value of those programs, and they could have continued to serve two purposes until the whistle-blower committed treason. Blame can be shared of course, but it seems twisted not to find major fault with the whistle blower who took it upon himself _both_ to cause thousands of children to go unvaccinated _and_ advanced the terrorist cause. But to support **Smapti** on one issue, doesn’t mean I support all of his positions: :eek: > [@Why wasn't the police officer who killed Eric Garner indicted?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-wasnt-the-police-officer-who-killed-eric-garner-indicted/706271/404): > > No, we can’t, because as far as I can tell he did nothing wrong aside from _maybe_ temporarily applying a submission hold that is administratively prohibited. > > Pantaleo didn’t kill Eric Garner. Eric Garner killed Eric Garner. It’s stupid to focus on whether or not Pantaleo violated a specific regulation or not. He used stupidly excessive force in a stupid arrest. He killed a hard-working father whose crime was that America’s system made it difficult for him to feed his family. And to blame the victim, Eric Garner, for his own death goes beyond stupidity to some sort of insanity. It’s vicious comments like this one that make rational good-spirited Americans want to vomit whenever a right-winger opens its mouth. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1065 "2014-12-09T15:20:51Z")
I’ll note that **Smapti** [thinks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17959961&postcount=455) those who are protesting the Garner case (and other cases) are “terrorists” – using criteria that would deem many of the Civil Rights protesters of the 60s as terrorists as well. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1066 "2014-12-09T15:46:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Pittings like this present me with a quandary. Until you grow up from “I’m sorry I got caught” to “I’m sorry I did it”, many things in this world will baffle you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1067 "2014-12-09T16:13:24Z")
> [@Mithrander](#): > > Wow, did it take you a whole month to come up with that? 😕 No, actually about 90 seconds. Glad to slay that particular nugget of ignorance. > [@Mithrander](#): > > As for my actions, I stand by them. I voiced my opinion that he’s a lying troll, which I still hold. At this point, I will consider the possibility that he’s just that fucked in the head, but I consider that less likely than he just knows how to push peoples buttons. The fact that a lot of other people had similar opinions is probably due to Smapti being a useless waste of biomass who has posted rather offensive and vile opinions. > > Also, I still think that comparing a message board pile-on to someone “lying on the ground having the shit beat out of him” is a fucking stupid analogy. Even if you stick the word metaphorically in there several times, it’s still a stupid analogy. So no, I don’t accept the fact that I’m capable of doing the same type of thing. > > I’m not going to say that words on the internet can’t hurt anyone. That said, voicing my opinion in the pit, even if others agree with me and it’s a full on pile-on, doesn’t reach that bar. Not even on a metaphorical level. Uh, sure it does. You could look the word up. It means precisely what you seem to think it does not mean. > [@Mithrander](#): > > So if you want to defend that piece of shit troll, you’re going to need to do better. Hmmm. I can’t figure out if your problem is one of limited intelligence or being emotional about the issue. Either way, my criticizing YOU for a specific action does not in any way equate to defending anyone. But I guess, in your world, not joining in on the pile on puts one on the opposing side. Hey, if I get a kick in on **Smapti** , does that make me okay with you then? Hey, Smapti, you’re ugly! Better? Can I carry a pitchfork too, now? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1068 "2014-12-09T16:23:53Z")
Tuning fork, maybe. Salad fork, a bit risky… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1069 "2014-12-09T18:37:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll note that **Smapti** [thinks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17959961&postcount=455) those who are protesting the Garner case (and other cases) are “terrorists” – using criteria that would deem many of the Civil Rights protesters of the 60s as terrorists as well. Those who are marching or demonstrating peacefully and non-disruptively? Not terrorists. Those who are blocking roads and freeways, starting fires, jumping on cars, throwing things at police, and sending lists of “demands” to the media? Terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1070 "2014-12-09T18:37:56Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1071 "2014-12-09T18:39:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Those who are marching or demonstrating peacefully and non-disruptively? Not terrorists. > > Those who are blocking roads and freeways, starting fires, jumping on cars, throwing things at police, and sending lists of “demands” to the media? Terrorists. So the vast majority are not terrorists. By the way, some Civil Rights protests disrupted traffic and listed demands. Were they terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1072 "2014-12-09T18:42:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So the vast majority are not terrorists. By the way, some Civil Rights protests disrupted traffic and listed demands. Were they terrorists? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1073 "2014-12-09T18:43:36Z")
Everyone who inconveniences me on my commute should be shot in sight. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1074 "2014-12-09T18:52:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes. Got it – according to **Smapti** , [Hosea Williams](http://www.theawl.com/2011/05/two-horses-two-races-the-civil-rights-movement-goes-to-the-kentucky-derby), the [Southern Christian Leadership Conference](http://www.lokashakti.org/encyclopedia/groups/144-southern-christian-leadership-conference), and [Martin Luther King Jr.](http://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/malu/hrs/hrs2a.htm) were terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1075 "2014-12-09T18:53:29Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Everyone who inconveniences me on my commute should be shot in sight. When traffic is disrupted, aren’t _you_ terrorized? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1076 "2014-12-09T19:06:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Yes. Then you deserve to live your life in terror, little man. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1077 "2014-12-09T19:48:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > 😕 No, actually about 90 seconds. Glad to slay that particular nugget of ignorance. I’m not sure why you’re so confused. I posted that on November 8th, which is about a month ago. In the future, if you look above the name of the person you’re quoting it shows the date they made the post. Glad to slay that particular nugget of ignorance. As for the rest, I’m not particularly interested in arguing with you about it and hijacking the thread over what defines a good metaphor. You’re going to have to find someone else to play pedantic word games with. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1078 "2014-12-09T20:35:29Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > He killed a hard-working father whose crime was that America’s system made it difficult for him to feed his family. Hard-working fathers don’t get arrested more than 30 times, nor do they commit major crimes like assault and grand larceny. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1079 "2014-12-09T20:40:08Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Hard-working fathers don’t get arrested more than 30 times, nor do they commit major crimes like assault and grand larceny. Someone can commit a crime and still turn around their life and be a “hard-working father”. Committing a crime doesn’t mean one is forever a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1080 "2014-12-09T22:17:21Z")
I haven’t read this thread, nor do I care to read much anything further either by **Smapti** or about **Smapti** … …I just wanted to say once, though, that from what I’ve seen of him, I would not be surprised if–if a cop suddenly pulled his gun out and fired it directly into the head of an eight day old baby six times– **Smapti** would be one of the first ones saying “Well, maybe the baby was resisting arrest. Seriously, the baby MUST HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING WRONG for the cop to do that. Cops don’t just do that unless you break the law. I’m sure the baby didn’t listen when the cop said to “stop crying” or gave another order. The cop doesn’t know if the baby is going for a gun or not, he was within his limits to protect himself.” Don’t bother saying that’s not true, **Smapti**. For one, I’m not going to see it because I’m not going to be opening this thread again after this post. For two, you can say it’s a huge, gross, extreme exaggeration or hyperbole all you want…it doesn’t change the fact that you have reached _further_ for tiny, insignificant reasons and grasped at _smaller_ straws in your effort to stick up for the police in real situations that have actually happened. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=55)