# Smapti is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1381 "2015-01-03T08:36:09Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > Would you call a transgender person by their chosen pronoun if it would prevent an act of pedophilia? Because apparently you wouldn’t do so to prevent a suicide… That’s such a strange hypothetical that I can barely imagine a scenario in which it would even come about, but if I could prevent a child from being sexually abused by improperly using a pronoun, then I probably would. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1382 "2015-01-03T11:38:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What does that have to do with there being a difference between sex and gender? I acknowledge that transgendered people have differences in their brains. It doesn’t change what they are. What they are is people who’s apparent physical gender doesn’t match their actual gender - that which their brains are. It’s really not complicated, and science has simply proven what transgender people have been saying for, well, ever. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1383 "2015-01-03T11:40:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That’s such a strange hypothetical that I can barely imagine a scenario in which it would even come about, but if I could prevent a child from being sexually abused by improperly using a pronoun, then I probably would. So, you think being abused is worse than death? As you’ve said you won’t use their choice of pronoun even to prevent suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1384 "2015-01-03T12:50:07Z")
You know what pisses me off the most about this? I can’t even tell people “let’s just focus on the people who aren’t fucking retards in this thread” in any meaningful way. Or can I? I mean, “I don’t think poster X is interested in/capable of rational discourse on this subject, let’s just ignore him” probably isn’t kosher in GD, and I can’t think of a nicer way of putting it than that. I could just repeat myself here… But I don’t think everyone who should reads this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1385 "2015-01-03T13:10:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > What they are is people who’s apparent physical gender doesn’t match their actual gender - that which their brains are. It’s really not complicated, and science has simply proven what transgender people have been saying for, well, ever. I accept that what their physical gender is does not conform to their gender identity. I deny that that in any way changes their gender. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1386 "2015-01-03T13:11:56Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > So, you think being abused is worse than death? As you’ve said you won’t use their choice of pronoun even to prevent suicide. Abuse is a crime with an innocent victim. The only victim in suicide is a willing participant. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1387 "2015-01-03T13:24:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I accept that what their physical gender is does not conform to their gender identity. I deny that that in any way changes their gender. What you accept or deny doesn’t really matter, though, when you’re provably wrong. Your opinion on what someone’s gender is is irrelevant, it’s only theirs that matters, as science has now proven that gender can’t be determined solely by a physical examination. This isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. And you are wrong about the facts. Although you’re correct about one thing, it doesn’t change their gender. In this case, the girl in question was always female, and her parents were simply mistaken about that. As you are. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1388 "2015-01-03T13:25:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Abuse is a crime with an innocent victim. The only victim in suicide is a willing participant. I see. So, you think that a teenager is too young and irresponsible to be aware of their own gender, but old and responsible enough to be a “willing participant” in their own death? That’s a rather warped way of looking at things. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1389 "2015-01-03T13:32:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I accept that what their physical gender is does not conform to their gender identity. I deny that that in any way changes their gender. Well, scotty-wotty-doo-doo for you. Who the fuck made you the gender police? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1390 "2015-01-03T13:35:00Z")
> [@Good for you, CNN. (edit teen suicide/gender identity)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-for-you-cnn-edit-teen-suicide-gender-identity/708743/116): > > Past interactions had already led me to this conclusion. I’m not sure why we’ve decided to treat **Smapti** like the new **Dio**. He’s been debunked, anyone can tell that, so there’s no reason not to just ignore him. Stop letting him ruin threads that had nothing to do with him in the first place. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Can we all just collectively stop responding to this troll? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1391 "2015-01-03T13:46:33Z")
Did I imagine it or did Smapti start referring to the deceased as “her” after railing against people for doing that? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1392 "2015-01-03T13:53:56Z")
Smapti must be a delight at parties. “Smapti, meet Bob and Patty.” Smapti: “What are your real names?” Bob: “Those are our real names.” Smapti: “So, your parents named you Bob and Patty.” Patty: “No. Robert and Patricia, but we very much prefer Patty and Bob.” Smapti: “You’ll need to show me some governmental order then, _Patricia_. I will not be made a liar. You too, _Robert_.” Patty: “Fuck off, you freak.” ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1393 "2015-01-03T13:59:31Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Smapti must be a delight at parties. “Smapti, meet Bob and Patty.” > > Smapti: “What are your real names?” > > Bob: “Those are our real names.” > > Smapti: “So, your parents named you Bob and Patty.” > > Patty: “No. Robert and Patricia, but we very much prefer Patty and Bob.” > > Smapti: “You’ll need to show me some governmental order then, _Patricia_. I will not be made a liar. You too, _Robert_.” > > Patty: “Fuck off, you freak.” I hate the way he’s making liars of us all when we call him **Smapti**. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1394 "2015-01-03T14:34:10Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I hate the way he’s making liars of us all when we call him **Smapti**. Maybe it’s just a point about how easily one can get over being called something they don’t like. If so, I really admire **Sparky** for her illustration of this concept. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1395 "2015-01-03T14:38:29Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Maybe it’s just a point about how easily one can get over being called something they don’t like. If so, I really admire **Sparky** for her illustration of this concept. Well, [the Master did have some advice for a case of name confusion](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/513/how-are-you-supposed-to-spell-muammar-gaddafi-khadafy-qadhafi) that would seem applicable here: > [@](#): > > My personal feeling is to chuck all the preceding and just call him Poohead, which is easier to remember and has an undeniable evocative power as well. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1396 "2015-01-03T17:22:35Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I see. So, you think that a teenager is too young and irresponsible to be aware of their own gender, but old and responsible enough to be a “willing participant” in their own death? That’s a rather warped way of looking at things. I don’t think teenagers _should_ be allowed to kill themselves. And yet, they do. Suicide is always the wrong choice, but it is always a choice (otherwise it’s not suicide, it’s homicide or misadventure). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1397 "2015-01-03T17:57:57Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Couldn’t have said it better myself. Can we all just collectively stop responding to this troll? I really wish you would stop making false accusations about me. I am not a troll. I have never posted an opinion here that I did not believe. I have never gone into a thread thinking “I want to derail this thread and make it all about me”; I go in thinking “I have an opinion on this topic that I wish to share”. If people question me on that belief, of course I’m going to respond to it. This board is the biggest significant social outlet I have in my life. Why would I set out to have people I consider friends call me the worst human being they know? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1398 "2015-01-03T18:02:00Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I hate the way he’s making liars of us all when we call him **Smapti**. I’ll tell you my real name if you really want to call me by it (and if it’s not against board rules for me to do so, I can’t recall.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1399 "2015-01-03T18:16:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You know what pisses me off the most about this? I can’t even tell people “let’s just focus on the people who aren’t fucking retards in this thread” in any meaningful way. Or can I? I mean, “I don’t think poster X is interested in/capable of rational discourse on this subject, let’s just ignore him” probably isn’t kosher in GD, and I can’t think of a nicer way of putting it than that. I could just repeat myself here… But I don’t think everyone who should reads this thread. Try this: _People, please be failing to respond to **Smapti** , it is not contributing anything of value to the thread. Ignore it and it will go away._ Put that in a handy place (e.g., in Shortcuts on your mobile device) and just fight shit with shit. Every time someone replies to **Smapti** , post that, until they stop. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1400 "2015-01-03T18:17:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ll tell you my real name if you really want to call me by it (and if it’s not against board rules for me to do so, I can’t recall.) I would rather call you by whatever name you choose to be called. Well, unless I’m feeling like insulting you here in the pit, but for now I don’t. As for board rules, as far as I know it’s only against the rules to reveal personal information about others, not yourself. A question, though. It’s both legal and within the board rules for 13 year olds to sign up here. Should they be allowed to use a name of their choosing, or should they have to clear it with their parents first? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=71)