# Smapti is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907 "2014-05-21T08:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1701 "2024-05-12T03:58:16Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > and this war is almost over. Sure all they have to do is attack the giant Refugee camp in which that they have kettled to entire population without food, water, medicine or anywhere to flee. I’m sure that civilian casualties will be light. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1702 "2024-05-12T04:00:28Z")
And then go clear Hamas out of the rest of Gaza apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1703 "2024-05-12T04:04:23Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Sure all they have to do is attack the giant Refugee camp in which that they have kettled to entire population without food, water, medicine or anywhere to flee. Egypt is free to open its border at any time and provide those things. Nobody is stopping them. Why don’t they, and why aren’t you mad about it? ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1704 "2024-05-12T04:56:25Z")
Which other nations is Egypt most closely allied? It’s not Israel right? I’m not informed about Israeli-Egyptian relations. Is Egypt allied with maybe the UK or USA about the Israeli occupation? I’m really unread about this topic actually. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1705 "2024-05-12T04:58:23Z")
Egypt isn’t bombing children. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1706 "2024-05-12T05:16:10Z")
No, but according to your lot they are sitting on their thumbs doing nothing while their next-door neighbors get genocided. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1707 "2024-05-12T05:54:19Z")
So are you, what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1708 "2024-05-12T05:57:51Z")
So your solution is for Israel and Egypt to go to war?? If you aren’t a troll, you sure as fuck deserve an award for Best Cosplay of the Year. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1709 "2024-05-12T06:00:23Z")
Actually, I take that back. They’re not sitting on their thumbs. They’re attempting to get food and aid to innocent civilians while trying to avoid the war spreading to themselves. They’re attempting to find a path to peace. You’re cheering on dead babies. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1710 "2024-05-12T06:28:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So your solution is for Israel and Egypt to go to war?? My solution is for Egypt to start taking in refugees like they should have done 80 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1711 "2024-05-12T06:30:43Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > You’re cheering on dead babies. I would prefer no dead babies. That’s why I’ve been calling on Hamas to surrender since October. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1712 "2024-05-12T06:38:06Z")
Hamas is bombing babies? Or are we still doing the “Israel doesn’t have a choice but to kill all these babies”? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1713 "2024-05-12T07:01:47Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Hamas is bombing babies? No, Hamas just cuts their heads off or burns them alive, which is apparently much better. Hamas could, of course, stop the bombing right now if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1714 "2024-05-12T07:15:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No, Hamas just cuts their heads off or burns them alive, which is apparently much better. > > Hamas could, of course, stop the bombing right now if they wanted to. So Hamas ISN’T the one bombing babies, but they can stop bombing babies? ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1715 "2024-05-12T07:26:40Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > So Hamas ISN’T the one bombing babies, but they can stop bombing babies? Hamas can surrender. Why haven’t they surrendered? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1716 "2024-05-12T07:44:20Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > Hamas can surrender. Why haven’t they surrendered? Israel can stop bombing babies. Why doesn’t Israel stop bombing babies? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1717 "2024-05-12T08:34:40Z")
Lets say you are El-Sisi why should you take in refugees that Israel bombed out of Gaza? Why should you deal with Israel’s refugees? Israel wants to bomb the people out of Gaza, perhaps Israel should carry the refugees caused by its war? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1718 "2024-05-12T08:41:55Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Lets say you are El-Sisi why should you take in refugees that Israel bombed out of Gaza? Because they’re my fellow Arabs who need help? Because Gaza was Egyptian territory up until 1967? Because it’s my country’s fault in the first place that they’re a stateless people as the result of my predecessors’ harebrained attempts to conquer Israel in 1948? Because we’ve been using them as pawns for 80 years and it’s long past time to actually walk the walk? Because it’ll give us the moral high ground in the eyes of the Blame-Israel-For-Everything crowd? Because it’ll create hundreds of thousands if not millions of new voters who’ll likely support my party in thanks for giving them a home? Because _helping refugees is always the morally correct thing to do_? > [@orcenio](#): > > Israel wants to bomb the people out of Gaza As noted above, if that’s their goal, they’re doing a piss-poor job of it. They’d have to keep up the current rate of attrition for the next 12 years to be even half as effective as the Nazis were at genocide, and that’s assuming that not a single new Gazan is born in the meantime. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1719 "2024-05-12T09:07:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because they’re my fellow Arabs who need help? A lot of Arabs need help, but why should Egypt absorb refugees from Israel? Egypt doesn’t agree that Israel should bomb Gaza? Why should it accept the consequences of Israel’s actions (refugees)? > [@](#): > > Because Gaza was Egyptian territory up until 1967? Is it 1966? Did Egypt force Gazans out of their home? Egypt doesn’t need to act like they own Gaza they dropped all claims to that land and people over 50 years ago. > [@](#): > > Because it’s my country’s fault in the first place that they’re a stateless people as the result of my predecessors’ harebrained attempts to conquer Israel in 1948? As far as Egypt is concerned the Gazans have a state. A state which is being invaded by Israel towards their borders. These people are not stateless at all. > [@](#): > > Because we’ve been using them as pawns for 80 years and it’s long past time to actually walk the walk? Egypt uses Palestinians as pawns, but they are simply not as involved with Gazans as Israel. Egypt has a very small and easily monitored/defended border with Gaza, they do not support the current war, nor pushing Gazans south to their own borders. > [@](#): > > Because it’ll give us the moral high ground in the eyes of the Blame-Israel-For-Everything crowd? Why should Egypt take in Israel’s refugees for that? What payoff comes from this? > [@](#): > > Because it’ll create hundreds of thousands if not millions of new voters who’ll likely support my party in thanks for giving them a home? El-Sisi holds power through a military dominated political influence that exists outside of the democratic process Egypt has set up after their 2012 protests. > [@](#): > > Because _helping refugees is always the morally correct thing to do_? But Egypt will point at Israel as say this too? Why should we fix Israel’s active moral violating mistakes here? > [@](#): > > As noted above, if that’s their goal, they’re doing a piss-poor job of it. They’d have to keep up the current rate of attrition for the next 12 years to be even half as effective as the Nazis were at genocide, and that’s assuming that not a single new Gazan is born in the meantime. You are having a different conversation then I am. One about the Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907/1720 "2024-05-12T09:09:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And here I thought Israel was supposed to be genociding everyone and so there shouldn’t be anyone left to return to those areas. It’s not “anyone”, it’s Hamas. You know, the only actual legitimate targets in Gaza? Israel is failing even at keeping them from regaining control of Gaza. Israel is accomplishing nothing but dead civilians. 1.5% of Gaza’s population, dead for absolutely nothing. Thousands of dead babies and children, killed for nothing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-is-pitted/688907.md?page=87)