That’s such a strange hypothetical that I can barely imagine a scenario in which it would even come about, but if I could prevent a child from being sexually abused by improperly using a pronoun, then I probably would.
What they are is people who’s apparent physical gender doesn’t match their actual gender - that which their brains are. It’s really not complicated, and science has simply proven what transgender people have been saying for, well, ever.
So, you think being abused is worse than death? As you’ve said you won’t use their choice of pronoun even to prevent suicide.
You know what pisses me off the most about this? I can’t even tell people “let’s just focus on the people who aren’t fucking retards in this thread” in any meaningful way. Or can I? I mean, “I don’t think poster X is interested in/capable of rational discourse on this subject, let’s just ignore him” probably isn’t kosher in GD, and I can’t think of a nicer way of putting it than that. I could just repeat myself here… But I don’t think everyone who should reads this thread.
I accept that what their physical gender is does not conform to their gender identity. I deny that that in any way changes their gender.
Abuse is a crime with an innocent victim. The only victim in suicide is a willing participant.
What you accept or deny doesn’t really matter, though, when you’re provably wrong. Your opinion on what someone’s gender is is irrelevant, it’s only theirs that matters, as science has now proven that gender can’t be determined solely by a physical examination.
This isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. And you are wrong about the facts.
Although you’re correct about one thing, it doesn’t change their gender. In this case, the girl in question was always female, and her parents were simply mistaken about that. As you are.
I see. So, you think that a teenager is too young and irresponsible to be aware of their own gender, but old and responsible enough to be a “willing participant” in their own death? That’s a rather warped way of looking at things.
Well, scotty-wotty-doo-doo for you. Who the fuck made you the gender police?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Can we all just collectively stop responding to this troll?
Did I imagine it or did Smapti start referring to the deceased as “her” after railing against people for doing that?
Smapti must be a delight at parties. “Smapti, meet Bob and Patty.”
Smapti: “What are your real names?”
Bob: “Those are our real names.”
Smapti: “So, your parents named you Bob and Patty.”
Patty: “No. Robert and Patricia, but we very much prefer Patty and Bob.”
Smapti: “You’ll need to show me some governmental order then, Patricia. I will not be made a liar. You too, Robert.”
Patty: “Fuck off, you freak.”
I hate the way he’s making liars of us all when we call him Smapti.
Maybe it’s just a point about how easily one can get over being called something they don’t like. If so, I really admire Sparky for her illustration of this concept.
Well, the Master did have some advice for a case of name confusion that would seem applicable here:
I don’t think teenagers should be allowed to kill themselves. And yet, they do. Suicide is always the wrong choice, but it is always a choice (otherwise it’s not suicide, it’s homicide or misadventure).
I really wish you would stop making false accusations about me. I am not a troll. I have never posted an opinion here that I did not believe. I have never gone into a thread thinking “I want to derail this thread and make it all about me”; I go in thinking “I have an opinion on this topic that I wish to share”. If people question me on that belief, of course I’m going to respond to it.
This board is the biggest significant social outlet I have in my life. Why would I set out to have people I consider friends call me the worst human being they know?
I’ll tell you my real name if you really want to call me by it (and if it’s not against board rules for me to do so, I can’t recall.)
Try this:
People, please be failing to respond to Smapti, it is not contributing anything of value to the thread. Ignore it and it will go away.
Put that in a handy place (e.g., in Shortcuts on your mobile device) and just fight shit with shit. Every time someone replies to Smapti, post that, until they stop.
I would rather call you by whatever name you choose to be called. Well, unless I’m feeling like insulting you here in the pit, but for now I don’t.
As for board rules, as far as I know it’s only against the rules to reveal personal information about others, not yourself.
A question, though. It’s both legal and within the board rules for 13 year olds to sign up here. Should they be allowed to use a name of their choosing, or should they have to clear it with their parents first?