You give an irrational amount of weight to things that are automatic and never going to happen differently. You thought it was such a big deal that no prominent democrats were publicly calling for Biden to step down, which they would never do. Now you’re making a big deal that Biden is endorsing his running mate and presumptive nominee, which he would always do, even if he didn’t like her. There’s a certain naivety in your thinking.
Wait, what? If you were undecided about whether to vote for Harris, by definition you weren’t intending to vote straight Democrat.
It wasn’t something I had to consider until about five hours ago. I am somewhat more optimistic than I was before seeing how quickly the party seems to be coalescing around her.
You are such a dipshit. You said the whole reason you were being fanatical is that we had to beat Trump no matter what, but you were considering not voting for Harris? Fucking absurd. You’re not even a consistent fanatic, you’re just a fucking random grab bag of scattered thoughts, yet each one is very loud and rigid and black and white for as long as it lasts.
I’ve seen crazier. Way crazier.
Honestly, Harris is fine. The coalition matters more than the individual except when the individual is a fanatic or ideologue, which Harris is not. No way she’ll accomplish as much as Biden did, but that’s baked in regardless. Biden II wouldn’t have accomplished as much as Biden I anyway. Harris isn’t my first choice overall (though she’s my only choice now) - she’s smart, but I wasn’t impressed by her political instincts in 2020 - but her VP experience counts for something.
Put in another way. Any Democrat is better than Trump. Hell, Romney is better than Trump. You get 2 choices under plurality voting/first past the post voting/winner take all voting. So when there’s a fascist on the ballot, choose the alternative. Bernie, AOC, Manchin, Sinema, it doesn’t matter.
Sinema. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
FWIW, he said he was only comfortable doing that because he is in a solid blue state.
If he was on here posting 75 times a day about how we absolutely must stay with Biden and show no dissent and everyone has to be on the same page or we’re doomed to fascism because he thought that was encouraging people to oppose Trump, then logically it seems obvious that if he’s on here sowing dissent, casting doubt on the democrats, and saying that even though defeating Trump is the only thing that matters, he’s not sure he can vote for Harris, he must logically think he’s discouraging other people from voting for Harris too. He can’t have it both ways.
It’s pathetic and hypocritical. His entire premise is that we cannot possibly have internal arguments or doubt because beating Trump is so massively important that even doing anything that could be looked at as anything but total unity and commitment and voting against Trump no matter what is wrong. And yet here he is, cheerleading the doom of the democratic party to a much higher degree than anyone he was criticizing before.
OK. You got me. I was wrong. I didn’t expect the Democrats to rally around Harris this quickly. This election is still winnable after all.
FWIW, I respect you for that, and while we can’t just breathe a sigh of relief knowing that everything will be fine, things are looking up.
Good on ya. When the game changes, you gotta change with it. Happy you’ve seen the light. And, yes, the rally has been comforting to see even if it hasn’t won the war yet.
Can you keep this moment in mind the next time you are feeling so certain, and people are suggesting that your certainty is overblown?
That’s the thing. I really like Smpati’s posts, especially in any Trump is stupid threads, but even if Casey Anthony was the D pick, might have to go with her too in this day and age. 
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too….
Doubt.
Doubt thyself.
Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself.
Doubt all.
Doubt even if thou doubtest all.
-Aleister Crowley
-Michael Scott
I might say I was agnostic on Biden’s remaining in the race following the debate, but “Flummoxed” would be a more accurate characterization. I did opine that this was a matter for a small number of Democratic party elites, god help us.
As it happens they did a great job. A week ago I would have never predicted that the party would coalesce within 8 or 48 hours. Some group of leaders did their legwork.
Pro-tip for predictors. If you think you are 100% certain, say that your are 90% or at most 95% certain.
Then spend some time tracing scenarios where you could be wrong. That’s what consultants do when questioning specialists in order to extract expert opinion.
Sure, and that is a problem until you see her opponent,
I don’t usually like to pile on people when they’re admitting fault, but I think you missed the point of what the fault was. The thing I was discussing was not your incorrect prediction (that switching away from Biden would doom democrats) but the rigid, obnoxious, counter-productive way that you zealously communicated it while convincing no one and turning off people on your side. Additionally, your justification that we have to beat Trump no matter what, and that’s why you were being an obnoxious zealot, and then turning around and saying you weren’t sure you’d vote for Harris. That’s an absurd level of hypocrisy.
Admitting you were wrong about your prediction is all well and good, and props for that, but this is an opportunity for personal growth, and to do that you’d have to examine the thinking that lead up to your thoughts and behavior about how you went about being so sure of it and how you attacked everyone else who wasn’t so sure. Otherwise you’re just going to do the same thing next time.
-Wayne Gretzky
This might be one of the most disgusting things I’ve read from a regular poster.
Seems like hate speech to me, even in the Pit.