# Smart Trump Idea Of The Day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444 "2016-11-11T02:15:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/82 "2016-12-07T01:01:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > … I see what you’re saying. His profit isn’t her profit. Avoiding the argument of who is profiting out of being a President… Hillary and the pay to play - > **[State Department Helps Hillary Hide Her Clinton Foundation Pay to Play Scheme](https://redstate.com/california_yankee/2016/08/27/state-department-helps-hillary-hide-her-clinton-foundation-pay-to-play-scheme-n61494)** > >   > [@](#): > > So why would team Obama/Hillary fight complying with a legitimate Freedom of Information Act request so strenuously? They don’t want the press to connect any more dots concerning about people making donations to the Clinton Foundation if they wanted to meet or speak with Secretary Clinton. Sounds like profit (and a lot of other things) to me. Not you? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/83 "2016-12-07T01:13:24Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > You’re kidding, right? > > How did she go from being “broke” coming out of the White House to being worth over a hundred a fifty million (and loose change) now? They profited **AFTER** their time in office not **DURING** their time in office. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/84 "2016-12-07T01:19:01Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I see what you’re saying. His profit isn’t her profit. > > \*\*Avoiding the argument of who is profiting out of being a President… > \*\* > Hillary and the pay to play - > > [State Department Helps Hillary Hide Her Clinton Foundation Pay to Play Scheme – RedState](http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2016/08/27/state-department-helps-hillary-hide-her-clinton-foundation-pay-to-play-scheme/) > > Sounds like profit (and a lot of other things) to me. > > Not you? Why would you want to avoid that? [Politifact.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/16/mike-pence/pence-wrongly-says-more-half-hillary-clintons-meet/) > [@](#): > > Clinton served as secretary of state from 2009-13. The Associated Press analyzed 154 of her State Department meetings and found that 85 of those were with Clinton Foundation donors. Those 85 gave as much as $156 million to the foundation, combined. > > But this is a tiny subset of Clinton’s meetings. > > The analysis excluded meetings with people who work for the U.S. government or foreign governments. And it does not include many meetings Clinton took in the second half of her term because the Associated Press only had access to detailed schedules from the first half. > > ABC reported back in 2013 that Clinton met with 1,700 foreign leaders and had 755 meetings at the White House while secretary of state. So that’s at least 2,455 meetings the Associated Press did not include in its analysis Lots of innuendo in your link, no proof. Got any? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/85 "2016-12-07T01:32:53Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Why would you want to avoid that? I didn’t think I did. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Lots of innuendo in your link, no proof. Got any? I must be lost then. Proof of what? That Hillary and Bill made a fortune out of the Presidency? I don’t know what you’re asking. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/86 "2016-12-07T04:05:48Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Yes, all decisions will be announced via Twitter, which is the perfect medium for someone with a 2 volt 1 watt brain. The hard part is that for the next four years, we have to listen about this buffoon’s tweets. 2 volts, 1 watt? Since Trump supporters have a high resistance to logic, those values don’t add up! > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > At any rate when Obama said the same thing about refreshing Helicopter one or whatever they call it, I doubt you said a word. I don’t know the specific issue you’re referencing, but the president’s helicopters are manned by the Marine Corps. When he is aboard one, that helicopter uses the call sign “Marine One.” Any Air Force plane he is on (not just the specific and customized ones under discussion) will use the callsign “Air Force One”. If he’s ever aboard an Army or Navy aircraft, that aircraft will use the callsign “Army One” or “Navy One.” The one time in recent history a president flew on a commercial aircraft, it used the callsign “Executive One.” Less formally, the presidential limo is sometimes called “Cadillac One”, but this is just a nickname. Anyway, since the “real” Air Force One needs to be capable of being a flying command center in the event of war, I can understand why the price tag is pretty hefty. No real surprise that Trump, who thinks nukes are just regular bombs but awesomer, is clueless on this. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/87 "2016-12-07T04:37:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I don’t know the specific issue you’re referencing, but the president’s helicopters are manned by the Marine Corps. When he is aboard one, that helicopter uses the call sign “Marine One.” I was referring to this - [President Obama Once Expressed Concern About Marine One Costs - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-expressed-concern-marine-costs/story?id=44015491) > [@](#): > > Back in 2009, President Obama expressed concerns about cost overruns for a new set of presidential helicopters. At the time, the Pentagon’s contract with Lockheed Martin Corp. to develop a new fleet of helicopters, which are dubbed Marine One when the president is aboard and also shuttle other government officials, had reached an estimated $11.2 billion — nearly twice the original $6.1 billion estimate. Same thing Trump’s doing now. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/88 "2016-12-07T04:48:12Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I was referring to this - [President Obama Once Expressed Concern About Marine One Costs - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-expressed-concern-marine-costs/story?id=44015491) > > Same thing Trump’s doing now. From your link. > [@](#): > > President Obama replied: “By the way, I’ve already talked to [Defense Secretary Robert] Gates about a thorough review of the helicopter situation. The helicopter I have now seems perfectly adequate to me.” So he consulted an expert on the situation and made an informed decision. Unlike Trump’s SOP of pulling non-facts out of his ass. Just so you know, the current AF1 is 25 years old, is the last (two actually) of it’s model flying and spare parts are increasingly scarce. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/89 "2016-12-07T05:02:47Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I was referring to this - [President Obama Once Expressed Concern About Marine One Costs - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-expressed-concern-marine-costs/story?id=44015491) > > Same thing Trump’s doing now. Somehow I trust Obama’s numbers and the maturity of his approach to the issue… _more_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/90 "2016-12-07T06:13:18Z")
Its that mature touch of grey at his temples, rather than electric orange. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/91 "2016-12-07T12:32:24Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I was referring to this - [President Obama Once Expressed Concern About Marine One Costs - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-expressed-concern-marine-costs/story?id=44015491) > > Same thing Trump’s doing now. In a Fiscal Responsibility Summit, Obama took a question from Senator McCain about the cost of Marine One. Obama replied that he shared the Senator’s concern, that he had been working with the Secretary of Defense, and that the program was being reviewed. The program was later modified. Donald Trump tweeted about it. And had his facts wrong. Totally the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/92 "2016-12-07T14:04:27Z")
Okay, I’ll give him credit for something; speaking to the President of Taiwan. A practically harmless act that signals to a significant rival that “we do what we like and we don’t have to ask your permission who to talk to.” He didn’t technically violate the One China principle, but showed a degree of resolve and principle in speaking to the only Chinese head of state who was actually elected. The gasping over the alleged stupidity of his move is, IMHO, totally wrong. “We should do it this way 'cause we always have” is not a a strategy. Showing resolve and strength in a peaceful manner is a good thing - indeed, it’s precisely what Trump is NOT doing regarding Russia, and people are rightly ripping him for that. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/93 "2016-12-07T14:31:14Z")
Was the call a wise, principled move meant to show resolve to the mainland Chinese government? Or was the call made at the prompting of Bob Dole, who worked as a lobbyist for the Taiwan government over the past six months to arrange the call, as [The New York Times reported](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/politics/bob-dole-taiwan-lobby-trump.html)? Whether the call was “practically harmless” remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/94 "2016-12-07T17:37:38Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > He doesn’t need to sell shit, or gain shit by promoting himself or only looking for a profit and a reason anywhere he goes. Apparently, you’re unfamiliar with the concepts of ego and narcissism. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/95 "2016-12-08T01:46:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > From your link. > > So he consulted an expert on the situation and made an informed decision. Unlike Trump’s SOP of pulling non-facts out of his ass. Come on. Seriously? Instead of relying on an advisor he says what he thinks himself that the President before him thought as well. That is, that the spending doesn’t seem right when looking at the raw numbers. On the surface it looks excessive. I welcome the look at contracts like that. Like Obama seemed to do initially. But since there’s the tiniest difference that you can criticize, you criticize. You’re as worse as the people on the extreme right that you criticize constantly. Hypocrisy. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Just so you know, the current AF1 is 25 years old, is the last (two actually) of it’s model flying and spare parts are increasingly scarce. You can back that statement up? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/96 "2016-12-08T02:04:53Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Come on. Seriously? Instead of relying on an advisor he says what he thinks himself that the President before him thought as well. That is, that the spending doesn’t seem right when looking at the raw numbers. On the surface it looks excessive. > > I welcome the look at contracts like that. Like Obama seemed to do initially. > > But since there’s the tiniest difference that you can criticize, you criticize. You’re as worse as the people on the extreme right that you criticize constantly. > > Hypocrisy. > > You can back that statement up? 1. You’re a lazy, basement dwelling asshole. Are you really that deficient in brains that you can’t look it up rather than be made to look the fool you are? 2. [Here’s a cite](http://www.defenseone.com/politics/2015/02/buying-new-air-force-one-complicated/104220/?oref=search_air%20force%20one) for the chronically idiotic. > [@](#): > > The two VC-25s were among the last 747-200s ever built, with Boeing delivering them to the Air Force in 1990. George H.W. Bush was the first president to fly on this aircraft. > > Since the 747-200 hasn’t been built in nearly a quarter century, replacing broken parts is tough. In fact, some of the companies that built the original parts no longer exist. There have been times when spare parts have been taken from retired jetliners parked in desert, according to Air Force and industry officials. Sometimes parts have to be specially made. A new plane, experts say, would not only boost reliability but improve efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/97 "2016-12-08T02:58:29Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You’re a lazy, basement dwelling asshole. Are you really that deficient in brains that you can’t look it up rather than be made to look the fool you are? How old are you again? Because that’s some serious childish nonsense. > [@running\_coach](#): > > ]Here’s a cite for the chronically idiotic. You’re so narrow minded, singly focused on smearing the Republican that you can’t see the point I was making - it’s not that AF-1 needs to be updated, it’s that you take exception to the Pres nominee’s criticism of the expense. As if it’s the single most stupid thing a person in his position has done. Obama before him said the same thing in regards to a different AF1 M1. Fuck man, try and see a version outside you’re paranoid partizan nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/98 "2016-12-08T03:08:36Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > You’re so narrow minded, singly focused on smearing the Republican that you can’t see the point I was making - it’s not that AF-1 needs to be updated, it’s that you take exception to the Pres nominee’s criticism of the expense. As if it’s the single most stupid thing a person in his position has done. > > Obama before him said the same thing in regards to a different AF1 M1. > > Fuck man, try and see a version outside you’re paranoid partizan nonsense. Trump has no idea what the cost is. Neither does anyone else [other than the GAO.](http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-misleading-tweet-new-air-force-one-price-2016-12) The whole thing is at a very preliminary stage. Boeing has received 170 million for design and specs. > [@](#): > > According to a report by the Government Accountability Office published in March, the PAR program has an estimated total cost of $3.21 billion spread out over the next decade or so. > > The PAR program will consist of two 747-8-derived jets set to enter service in 2024, which means that even if Boeing delivers on time, Trump will not have the opportunity to fly on the aircraft. Trump exaggerated the cost. And I’m sure he has no understanding of what it takes to convert an airliner into the Flying White House. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/99 "2016-12-08T03:32:47Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > As is his usual habit, he will take delivery but won’t pay for them. Standard practice for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/100 "2016-12-08T04:37:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump exaggerated the cost. And I’m sure he has no understanding of what it takes to convert an airliner into the Flying White House. Run with that. I’m sure it’s going to be a winning strategy. Please do. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2016, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smart-trump-idea-of-the-day/771444/101 "2016-12-08T07:28:23Z")
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