# SmashTheState **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731 "2009-07-30T01:00:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/121 "2009-07-31T01:01:19Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Remember me as the one who deflated your laughably pompous pretensions to any sort of political relevance, factotum. At long last someone has pointed out the lack of politial relevance of someone on an internet message board. All Hail Kimmy\_Gibbler, THE GIANT SLAYER!!! \ ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/122 "2009-07-31T01:02:43Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > At long last someone has pointed out the lack of politial relevance of someone on an internet message board. > > All Hail Kimmy\_Gibbler, THE GIANT SLAYER!!! > > \ Thank you. Thank you. I have transformed the medium. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/123 "2009-07-31T01:04:25Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Thank you. Thank you. I have transformed the medium. _You’re a transformer and a medium_!?! :eek:Is there no end to your wonder? ---
**Author:** ![Other\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Other\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Other_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/124 "2009-07-31T01:09:11Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > What’s most hilarious about all the cigar-chomping, back-slapping, old boys’, country club monocle-popping and mutton-chopped sun-never-sets harrumphing around here is that their unwavering certainty in the naive-materialist shittery squeezing steam-fresh from Dawkins’ holy ass-cheeks to their quavering and prayerful lips is that the very ridicule they level at me – that the views I espouse are “fringe” or “woo” – is generally pointed at _them_ by the vast majority of Western culture. I’m a raving lunatic for supporting neurodiversity? Well guess which one of us would be more welcome at a charismatic christer revival with people jabbering in tongues and twitching all over the floor. > > It would be sad, pitiful even, watching the local neckbeards french-kiss their Jamie Hyneman blow-up dolls while they circle the wagons against anything unfamiliar except that some of these tossers (I’m looking at you Jackmannii) are actually working professionals whose troglodytic knuckle-dragging over issues which affect real people (like schizophrenics) is pretty horrifying. Smashy, I would just like to give you some advice. Unsolicited and nonaggressive. This post here could have easily been reduced to just a few words. It makes it difficult to understand you when you string so many descriptive phrases together. I am also a little curious to know why when someone nice comes along to seriously discuss things with you, you ignore them? I wouldn’t mind speaking to you. Thank you and have a nice day, ~S.P.I.~ ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/125 "2009-07-31T01:18:28Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > …snip…Well guess which one of us would be more welcome at a charismatic christer revival with people jabbering in tongues and twitching all over the floor…snip… You I hope. Those crazy fuckers are NUTS. You should fit right in. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/126 "2009-07-31T01:21:10Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > This whole message boards stinks of shopkeepers and factotums. > [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Remember me as the one who deflated your laughably pompous pretensions to any sort of political relevance, factotum. **Factotum**? Is this a common slur in use among the anarchist community these days? Is it recent? Is it _ubiquitous_? Factotum as a sneering insult is a new one to me. Of course anybody using factotum as even a neutral descriptor outside of a history book is a new one as well. If I had to make a list of dying words in the English language ( at least in the U.S. ), that would probably be on it. Shoptalk slang is always kind of curious from the outside. I remember telling my Marxist father decades ago that the near constant use of “running dog imperialist” made his commie paper virtually unreadable. By the hundredth time I ran across it ( maybe by the sixth page ), I felt like repeatedly slamming my head into a wall. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/127 "2009-07-31T01:30:08Z")
I dunno. Calling someone a neckbearded factotum has a nice ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/128 "2009-07-31T01:30:48Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > Oh, I sincerely doubt many of you are rich. The very rich and the very poor have much more in common with each other than either do with the petite bourgeoisie, who comprise the vast majority around here. It’s only the middle class who believe that the laws are fair, the courts are just, the police are friendly, and The System is an equitable compromise. The rich and the poor are quite aware that the system is designed to rape people in the ass; the rich because they get to do the raping, and the poor because they’re the ones being raped. > > This whole message boards stinks of shopkeepers and factotums. The stench of spiritual death and materialist excess is unmistakable. Must we remind you that you proudly boasted of losing a battle of wits with a door lock? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/129 "2009-07-31T01:34:08Z")
Hmm. “Material Excess and the Neckbearded Factotums.” One night only at the Orpheum! ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/130 "2009-07-31T01:36:58Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > Oh, I sincerely doubt many of you are rich. The very rich and the very poor have much more in common with each other than either do with the petite bourgeoisie, who comprise the vast majority around here. It’s only the middle class who believe that the laws are fair, the courts are just, the police are friendly, and The System is an equitable compromise. The rich and the poor are quite aware that the system is designed to rape people in the ass; the rich because they get to do the raping, and the poor because they’re the ones being raped. > > This whole message boards stinks of shopkeepers and factotums. The stench of spiritual death and materialist excess is unmistakable. -posted from a MacBook Air ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/131 "2009-07-31T01:39:24Z")
I myself liked **Smash** ’s post in the David Icke reptillian thread. I didn’t _agree_ with it, of course, but I thought with just a tad more attention to detail and exposition he could come up with some first rate SF. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/132 "2009-07-31T02:18:36Z")
> [@Other\_Dreams](#): > > Smashy, I would just like to give you some advice. Unsolicited and nonaggressive. This post here could have easily been reduced to just a few words. It makes it difficult to understand you when you string so many descriptive phrases together. That’s _exactly_ why Umberto Eco is such a great author – he keeps his prose really simple; dumbed down, almost. > [@Other\_Dreams](#): > > I am also a little curious to know why when someone nice comes along to seriously discuss things with you, you ignore them? I wouldn’t mind speaking to you. > > Thank you and have a nice day, > > ~S.P.I.~ Might have something to do with the fact that your reply probably gets lost in the sea of “HUR HUR THAT GUYZ A CRAZY!! WE WIN TEH INTARNET!!!” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/133 "2009-07-31T02:18:54Z")
> [@smashthestate](#): > > what’s most hilarious about all the cigar-chomping, back-slapping, old boys’, country club monocle-popping and mutton-chopped sun-never-sets harrumphing around here is that their unwavering certainty in the naive-materialist shittery squeezing steam-fresh from dawkins’ holy ass-cheeks to their quavering and prayerful lips is that the very ridicule they level at me – that the views i espouse are “fringe” or “woo” – is generally pointed at _them_ by the vast majority of western culture. I’m a raving lunatic for supporting neurodiversity? Well guess which one of us would be more welcome at a charismatic christer revival with people jabbering in tongues and twitching all over the floor. > > It would be sad, pitiful even, watching the local neckbeards french-kiss their jamie hyneman blow-up dolls while they circle the wagons against anything unfamiliar except that some of these tossers (i’m looking at you jackmannii) are actually working professionals whose troglodytic knuckle-dragging over issues which affect real people (like schizophrenics) is pretty horrifying. ?HYPHENATION OvERFLOW ERROR READY \>\_ ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/134 "2009-07-31T02:20:22Z")
> [@Wakinyan](#): > > I don’t agree with you that my post boils down to to have people disagree with me. Certainly not. It boils down to, in my opinion, that there’s no discussion, but ridicule and smug comments, if you’re not airing a “sandbox” opinion, if you excuse my expression; cheap shots and back patting – “now we got him, didn’t we?”. It isn’t “ignorance fighting”, but the group reinforcing its world view, its sandbox of thoughts and conclusions. You’re saying the same thing, only with more words. People disagree with views that they disagree with. They’re not obligated to engage in detailed, scholarly refutation. Most ignorant people are ignorant for a reason, and quite often that reason isn’t that they simply haven’t been exposed to the information. Many of them are willfully ignorant, some areignorant because they’re also stupid and incurious. Some, like Smashy and Kimmy, are ignorant because they’re stupid, arrogant, completely lacking in introspective abilities and convinced of their own self-righteous superiority without having to back it up with anything more than jargon and bluster. But even if they’re not, people can disagree with various tones of “Nuh unh!!!” And remember, along the same lines, that as much as we’re about fighting ignorance we also often end up fighting ‘ignorants’. Someone like Smashy deserves no more consideration than lekatt does, and for exactly the same reasons. > [@Wakinyan](#): > > I insist that this is fact, and this fact is the source of frustration on Smash’s part, I believe. Smash initial intention was intellectually honest, but the response was intellecutally dishonest, in short. Smashy was found to be lying when he pretended that most anthropologists held any the views he ascribed to them, and when pressed, could only cite a few books, sans quotes, some of them not even written by anthropologists. He also made other stuff up, like a claim about South American culture that was quickly refuted. Nor is it any tenet of intellectual honesty that you have to spend time or effort to say “man, you’re dumb.” People who drop into a thread to quickly poke a few holes in Lekatt’s ramblings, or just mock him a abit, may not be acting in a scholarly manner but they’re not behaving with intellectual dishonesty. So Smashy was dishonest and intellectually dishonest to boot, and those who responded with mockery were under no obligation to treat him as anything other than a joke. > [@Wakinyan](#): > > He—and other who come from an unexpected angle—can’t get a serious discussion going It’s not about “unexpected”. Someone who came into a thread with a divergent viewpoint but argued it with solid facts and logic would be able to support their position. Smashy just farted in the thread and expected people to take him seriously. > [@Wakinyan](#): > > without actually thinking, reading Got any proof of that claim? > [@Wakinyan](#): > > because he has a point in his critique of this board. An “ignorance fighting” board should listen to those who criticize it You’re using “listen to” in the same idiosyncratic way many parents do. We’re perfectly able, however, to listen to what someone says and dismiss it as bullshit. > [@Wakinyan](#): > > but the man has a point, whether we like it or not. That’s what it boils down to. But that doesn’t change anything. Lekatt has a point. Creatonists have a point. Advocates of homeopathic medicine have a point. 9/11 troofers have a point. Having a point doesn’t transform a useless idiot into someone worth responding to in detail. And just because someone has a point doesn’t mean that we have to respect them, their argument, or their method of argumentation. Especially if they’re arrogant, obnoxious and stupid, while their argument is dishonest and it’s argued in a sloppy manner to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/135 "2009-07-31T02:21:12Z")
> [@SmashTheState](#): > > What’s most hilarious about all the cigar-chomping, back-slapping, old boys’, country club monocle-popping and mutton-chopped sun-never-sets harrumphing around here …is that poor **Smash** is still stuck in Mr. Peabody’s Wayback Machine, dial set to 1900, a-marching with the Wobblies, instead of the reality of being an anachronistic pseudo-intellectual figure of fun. > [@Smash](#): > > …some of these tossers (I’m looking at you Jackmannii) are actually working professionals whose troglodytic knuckle-dragging over issues which affect real people (like schizophrenics) is pretty horrifying. Yeah, it can be hard to fight those troglodytic (is that a word?) tendencies to treat seriously ill people like they have a treatable illness, instead of regarding them as one’s pet shamans. Apart from his being an unusual political fossil, we should perhaps tolerate **Smash** for serving up hilariously credulous woo, which can then be shot down as both a means of combating ignorance and for sheer enjoyment. **Smash** , for instance, [believes that aspartame is horrible nasty toxic stuff](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526120) that introduces METHANOL into our bodies, and gets his briefings on the subject from a loony-bin foundation that also thinks soy is a terrible health hazard, and that high saturated fat and cholesterol are good for you along with heapin’ helpings of raw milk and poached animal brains. **Smash** does deserve a B- for the new insults, lame as they are. The old ones mostly elicited a 😕, particularly the neckbeard thing. Were we supposed to believe that being compared to Thoreau was bad? Is he unaware that facial/neck hair and anarchists [were not exactly strangers?](http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhaymarket.jpg) Aren’t the petit bourgeois mostly clean-shaven, Aqua Velva-using oppressors? We need a neckbeard smilie. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/136 "2009-07-31T02:22:29Z")
All I have to say is that SmashtheState and Kimmy\_Gibbler have inspired me to up my game at coming up with creative insults. I’ve gotten flabby and sedate in married life and my well owned smack-pwn skills have fallen into disuse. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/137 "2009-07-31T02:26:11Z")
There does seem to be a tendency for the board to elect a whipping boy every now and again. Funny, I never get any notices about when the voting is going on. SmashTheState, keep it up. Although I disagree with much of what you say, at least you’re entertaining. ivn1188, nice rant! That tl;dr crap should be considered thread shitting or at least as deplorable as _pulls up a lawn chair_. To whoever complained about these poster pit threads: It’s the only way for me to keep up on the most recent thread gossip so shush! ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/138 "2009-07-31T02:30:42Z")
Look, **FinnAgain** , all you’ve been doing is sticking your fingers in your ears and bitching and moaning that you don’t have to come up with any evidence to disprove people because it’s obvious that they’re idiots. Don’t you ever worry that people are going to realize you just can’t keep up with **Smash**? His claims about anthropologists actually weren’t refuted–you just never bothered to read the parts of the thread that don’t jibe with your worldview or preconceptions about other posters. Even **DSYoungEsq** , nobody’s idea of a hothead, called you out on your lame excrement-flinging. The thing is, as **Smash** continues to acquit himself with aplomb on this board, your ranks are thinning, and the more you continue this line of tragic argumentation, the more you look like just an emperor in his newest clothes. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/139 "2009-07-31T02:35:57Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Apart from his being an unusual political fossil, we should perhaps tolerate **Smash** for serving up hilariously credulous woo, which can then be shot down as both a means of combating ignorance and for sheer enjoyment. **Smash** , for instance, [believes that aspartame is horrible nasty toxic stuff](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526120) that introduces METHANOL into our bodies, and gets his briefings on the subject from a loony-bin foundation that also thinks soy is a terrible health hazard, and that high saturated fat and cholesterol are good for you along with heapin’ helpings of raw milk and poached animal brains. This is exactly why you are an arrogant fuckwit that can’t do anything but bluster. You had the perfect opportunity to prove him wrong, by providing your own cites. Surely, things that are so obviously true must be easy enough to prove; your failure to do so indicates that you’re actually just talking out your ass. Sure, you might claim you don’t need to refute the “woo” (fucking retarded term, BTW) because it’s so _obviously_ wrong. That alone consigns you to the useless mouthbreather sect that depends on no argument but consensus. You are such an incredible little bitch that I am frankly amazed you haven’t been raped by a pack of wild hyenas. You don’t even have the saving grace of being mildly entertaining, even when you adopt (in what I am sure is a shoutout to your origins) your trademark “retarded hillbilly” style. You’re a fucking wanker, **Jackmannii**. Nothing but hot air and pomposity. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731/140 "2009-07-31T02:36:41Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > **Smash** , for instance, [believes that aspartame is horrible nasty toxic stuff](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526120) that introduces METHANOL into our bodies Aspartame does metabolize into methanol; its other breakdown products include formaldehyde. You might want to pass on the “Watch _Scrubs_ and Get CE Credits!” symposium this year, Doc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smashthestate/504731.md?page=8)