# Smokers stink. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 26, 2010, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378 "2010-04-26T05:04:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/101 "2010-04-27T17:36:21Z")
> [@otternell](#): > > You sure came into this thread all hot and bothered didn’t you? I am aware that they can and do. I disagree with the “rightly”. The case you mentioned above is a perfect example of something the company can do, for which I will call them fuck-knobs. Actually, no, I was not all hot and bothered regarding what _you_ were talking about. Just the opposite, in fact. Call them fuck knobs all you like (and believe me, I’ve called them far, far worse than that in the past), it still doesn’t change the fact that what they did they, legally, had _every right_ to do. ---
**Author:** ![otternell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecc23a/32.png) [@otternell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/otternell)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/102 "2010-04-27T17:39:25Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > Actually, no, I was not all hot and bothered regarding what _you_ were talking about. Just the opposite, in fact. > > Call them fuck knobs all you like (and believe me, I’ve called them far, far worse than that in the past), it still doesn’t change the fact that what they did they, legally, had _every right_ to do. We’re not in disagreement, but I do really hate when people try and point out something I said in my post. I clearly stated that they have the right to do it and it pisses me off. I already said it before you ever chimed in, so just chill, cause I already know. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/103 "2010-04-27T18:12:25Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > And fuck you, too. > > My wife has severe asthma and environmental allergies, and immediately feels a tightening of the lungs and a shortness of breath at the first whiff of cigarette smoke, and typically gets a throbbing headache within two or three minutes of exposure. This happens even when we’re driving in a car with our windows up and the heater/defogger/AC on, and we pull up next to a car with someone smoking with the windows down (because, of course, even smokers can’t stand the smell of the smoke they produce). Now, does she (or do we) make a big thing about this? Not at all. She deals with it as best can. But for dickless pieces of shit like you to say that all such claims are bogus is out and out horseshit. So: Fuck. Off. Pretty please? > [@MTCicero](#): > > Where, exactly, did I say that my wife expects others (meaning smokers) to cater to her needs, you numb cunt? > [@DianaG](#): > > I suppose that’s possible. I don’t care though, any more than the people who wear enough perfume to gag a maggot care that they’re giving me a sore throat and a headache. > > And fuck you for thinking I SHOULD care. Reminder: [QUOTE=Restricted language in the Pit] The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. cunt * * * fuck you [/QUOTE] **Gfactor** Pit Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/104 "2010-04-27T18:35:54Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > We’re in total agreement on that. But that doesn’t change the fact that the daycare was within its rights to do what it did. Though, admittedly, it did stink in more ways than one. Legally, I obviously concur. Ethically, I think they were collectively a bunch of goat-fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/105 "2010-04-27T18:48:07Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Legally, I obviously concur. Ethically, I think they were collectively a bunch of goat-fuckers. I’d just like to take a moment to thank you for referring to my old boss as a “goat-fucker”. Sometimes, dammit, life _is_ good! ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/106 "2010-04-27T19:36:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > ivn, the problem is you don’t say anything else. If I see your name in a pit thread, I know you’re going to be griping about the OP. There’s no point in reading anything your write. > > It’s not that you’re mean, You’re just annoying. You have this odd view point where it’s bad for other people to gripe about unimportant crap, but it’s okay for you. You can’t do what you want others to do. > > All you accomplish is that people ignore you and make fun of you. Your message isn’t getting across. If anything, you’re inspiring everyone not to pay attention to what you say. > > I pulled you off ignore for making a good ATMB comment once. But the only other time I see you is griping in the pit. It doesn’t add to the conversation, so I don’t need to read it. Goodbye. This is meaningless drivel. I don’t really care if you put me on ignore or not. This is the pit, no one is expected to contribute meaningfully to a discussion, except by the type of people who shouldn’t be in the pit anyway. If you want to have a discussion, put it in MPSIMS, but don’t get your panties in a bunch when you troll around in the pit and there’s no free hugs that day. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/107 "2010-04-27T19:46:50Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > This is meaningless drivel. I don’t really care if you put me on ignore or not. This is the pit, no one is expected to contribute meaningfully to a discussion, except by the type of people who shouldn’t be in the pit anyway. If you want to have a discussion, put it in MPSIMS, but don’t get your panties in a bunch when you troll around in the pit and there’s no free hugs that day. So what you’re saying is basically, people shouldn’t expect anything better than what _you_ post when they visit The BBQ Pit? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/108 "2010-04-27T20:22:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So what you’re saying is basically, people shouldn’t expect anything better than what _you_ post when they visit The BBQ Pit? That’s a good question. I’ll answer it. Historically and realistically, no, they should not. I’m one of the most entertaining posters in the pit. I’ve got verve, flair, and even some spunk, which I’ll be glad to spew all over your mom’s face if she’s lucky. Now, this of course rubs certain posters the wrong way. Mostly those posters are the ones who get mistaken for the coat rack at parties. Because they are boring automatons whose painful earnestness and conservative midwestern senior citizen social values bore the shit out of anyone who is relevant. Seriously, it’s like the annual post-Christmas dinner old people table, where everyone feels the need to discuss in detail the kids these days, that awful “rock” music, and the consistency of their bowel movements. The whole reason this forum is here is so that people can call each other out, take off the gloves, and go to town without having to pay attention to the ol’ Marquis of Queensbury. Unless they want to call someone a cunt, but that’s another matter. So when you want to get on and share the story about how your precious kitty Mr. Snugglekins went to the vet and a mean lady said he had poorly defined coloration, you have two choices. You can post it in MPSIMS and get sympathy from other desperate cat fanatics going “there, there” as you metaphorically cry on their shoulder via the wonders of modern telecommunications technology. Your other choice is to post in the pit. A place where banning the word “cunt” is an outrage to many. A poster in ATMB got warned for “your mother wears combat boots”. That should display to even the most obtuse the difference in poster expectations between the various forums. When you post your little rant in the pit, you’re taking a risk that people will think that your rant, and therefore you, are boring, stupid, and a host of other adjectives, none of which have positive connotations. If you have a rant about smokers or fatties or faggots or rednecks or hobbits or teabaggers or wine corks (wine corks, for the love of christ!) you can expect that some people are going to be annoyed or offended because you are being a racist, or a wuss, or a snob, or a philistine. One way to defuse the reaction is to make it interesting and entertaining. That way, at least your meaningless gabber will have some beneficial impact on the world. Because, at the end of the day, let’s face it – no one on here is saying anything meaningful or novel, and if they think they are, then they need to join the National Brotherhood of Massive Hubris Union Local 419. So, no. People cannot expect to get anything better than my posts. Because all the craft in the pit is being drowned by shit like the OP or crappy ‘rants’ that are composed of nothing but profanity. Talking about “meaningfully contributing” in the pit is pointless, because that isn’t the goal, nor is it required. The pit is for entertainment. GD is for debating. MPSIMS is for… I don’t know, I just imagine fat people with fibromyalgia talking about their cats and having snuggle parties. GQ is probably the only place where it’s _not_ just a bunch of basement trolls yammering about their pet peeves. So if you want “meaningful contribution”, post your pale imitation 95 theses on the church door, not next to the urinal in a bar in a shady part of town, or at least don’t be all surprised and upset when the dirty limericks people scrawl on your screed are obscured by stains from people pissing all over it. ETA: Oh yes, and _please_ feel free to link to other “meaningful contributions” in this thread. I mean, aside from the goat-fucker bit. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/109 "2010-04-27T20:23:38Z")
Oh, and I can vouch that \*\*ivn \*\*doesn’t exclusively post in Pit threads to \*bitch about \*the OP. Sometimes he posts to give a thumbs-up and \*hit on \*the OP. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/110 "2010-04-27T20:26:19Z")
TLDR. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/111 "2010-04-27T20:29:31Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, and I can vouch that \*\*ivn \*\*doesn’t exclusively post in Pit threads to \*bitch about \*the OP. Sometimes he posts to give a thumbs-up and \*hit on \*the OP. Hey. (Adjust speedos, sucks in gut) How _you_ doing? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/112 "2010-04-27T20:35:19Z")
I had asthma my entire childhood, even though I was quite healthy (a nationally competitive triathlete). At 16, I moved in with my dad instead of my mom and instantly, the asthma stopped all together. The only difference is that mom is an indoor chain smoker. Now, at 24, I’ve never had asthma again. Correlation? Causation? I guess I can’t really know, but I can’t help but think my mom’s chain smoking really hurt my health for those 16 years, causing me to have to take needless medication. Of course, I was around someone all day and night that was smoking, in a smokey house, constantly taking in the smoke. That’s no doubt different than walking by the cloud of smokers by the door of buildings. I no longer get sick when I walk by folks smoking, but I am definitely annoyed by the stench. I’m equally as grossed out by the yellowed folks reeking of ciggs that come into my office as I am the construction workers who can’t be arsed to wash their hands and put on some freaking deoderant before they come to their appointment. Do you know how hard it is to look natural while breathing through your mouth for an hour so you don’t gag? Wait. . . that’s what she said. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/113 "2010-04-27T20:50:29Z")
Instead of the monthly “Smokers vs. Non-Smokers”, “Pit Bulls Are Killers/Are Not!”, “Cats Belong Indoors/Outdoors” debates, maybe the mods should just let us pull up those older threads and quote ourselves and post “This!”. Besides this now seems like just another one of those ivn1188 pit threads. The whole smoking debate is just pissing on a forest fire … [sub]started by a lazy self-important smoker who tossed his cigarette out the car window after blowing all the smoke on poor orphaned asthmatic chilluns.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/114 "2010-04-27T20:51:03Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > That’s a good question. I’ll answer it. > > Historically and realistically, no, they should not. \ For someone who’s rapidly become an SDMB cliche, you’re exhaustingly full of yourself. On topic: I quit smoking 5 years ago, and I still love the smell of fresh cigarettes. I’ll actively try and get behind someone having a cigarette while I’m walking. Stale smoke though? Bleh. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/115 "2010-04-27T20:56:37Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > That’s a good question. I’ll answer it. > > Historically and realistically, no, they should not. > > I’m one of the most entertaining posters in the pit. I’ve got verve, flair, and even some spunk, which I’ll be glad to spew all over your mom’s face if she’s lucky. Now, this of course rubs certain posters the wrong way. Mostly those posters are the ones who get mistaken for the coat rack at parties. Because they are boring automatons whose painful earnestness and conservative midwestern senior citizen social values bore the shit out of anyone who is relevant. Seriously, it’s like the annual post-Christmas dinner old people table, where everyone feels the need to discuss in detail the kids these days, that awful “rock” music, and the consistency of their bowel movements. > > The whole reason this forum is here is so that people can call each other out, take off the gloves, and go to town without having to pay attention to the ol’ Marquis of Queensbury. Unless they want to call someone a cunt, but that’s another matter. > > So when you want to get on and share the story about how your precious kitty Mr. Snugglekins went to the vet and a mean lady said he had poorly defined coloration, you have two choices. You can post it in MPSIMS and get sympathy from other desperate cat fanatics going “there, there” as you metaphorically cry on their shoulder via the wonders of modern telecommunications technology. > > Your other choice is to post in the pit. A place where banning the word “cunt” is an outrage to many. A poster in ATMB got warned for “your mother wears combat boots”. That should display to even the most obtuse the difference in poster expectations between the various forums. > > When you post your little rant in the pit, you’re taking a risk that people will think that your rant, and therefore you, are boring, stupid, and a host of other adjectives, none of which have positive connotations. If you have a rant about smokers or fatties or faggots or rednecks or hobbits or teabaggers or wine corks (wine corks, for the love of christ!) you can expect that some people are going to be annoyed or offended because you are being a racist, or a wuss, or a snob, or a philistine. > > One way to defuse the reaction is to make it interesting and entertaining. That way, at least your meaningless gabber will have some beneficial impact on the world. Because, at the end of the day, let’s face it – no one on here is saying anything meaningful or novel, and if they think they are, then they need to join the National Brotherhood of Massive Hubris Union Local 419. > > So, no. People cannot expect to get anything better than my posts. Because all the craft in the pit is being drowned by shit like the OP or crappy ‘rants’ that are composed of nothing but profanity. Talking about “meaningfully contributing” in the pit is pointless, because that isn’t the goal, nor is it required. The pit is for entertainment. GD is for debating. MPSIMS is for… I don’t know, I just imagine fat people with fibromyalgia talking about their cats and having snuggle parties. GQ is probably the only place where it’s _not_ just a bunch of basement trolls yammering about their pet peeves. > > So if you want “meaningful contribution”, post your pale imitation 95 theses on the church door, not next to the urinal in a bar in a shady part of town, or at least don’t be all surprised and upset when the dirty limericks people scrawl on your screed are obscured by stains from people pissing all over it. > > ETA: Oh yes, and _please_ feel free to link to other “meaningful contributions” in this thread. I mean, aside from the goat-fucker bit. Wow. Do you find yourself talking to the mirror a lot? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/116 "2010-04-27T21:08:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wow. > Do you find yourself talking to the mirror a lot? He’s smart enough, he’s good enough, and gosh darnit, people like him. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/117 "2010-04-27T21:17:09Z")
Of course smokers smell. So do people who eat garlic, onions, etc. Lots of things people do occasion an odd smell or two. Live with it. The depth of animosity shown by some on this board towards smokers reminds me of the depth of feeling that gave rise to the vulgar error that Sir Thomas Brown (the Cecil of his day) had to shoot down over three centuries ago. [That Jews stink.](http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo410.html) ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/118 "2010-04-27T21:20:03Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > That’s a good question. I’ll answer it. > > Historically and realistically, no, they should not. > > \ Yet more meaningless drivel from the self-appointed arbiter of all that is pit-worthy, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. \ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/119 "2010-04-27T21:21:36Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Of course smokers smell. So do people who eat garlic, onions, etc. Lots of things people do occasion an odd smell or two. Live with it. The depth of animosity shown by some on this board towards smokers reminds me of the depth of feeling that gave rise to the vulgar error that Sir Thomas Brown (the Cecil of his day) had to shoot down over three centuries ago. > > [That Jews stink.](http://penelope.uchicago.edu/pseudodoxia/pseudo410.html) Go bathe in garlic and soak your clothes in it, then walk around in public for just a week, then get back to us. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smokers-stink/537378/120 "2010-04-27T21:31:23Z")
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