# Smoking ban, public places, private clubs **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 3, 2003, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405 "2003-01-03T13:18:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405/121 "2003-01-07T03:35:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > We don’t _need_ skyscrapers any more than we need smoking restaurants. Sorry I disagree. I believe that the utility of multi-story buildings in major metropolitan areas is far higher than the utility of being able to light up at the dinner table. But that may be just because I’m not addicted to nicotine.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2003, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405/122 "2003-01-07T08:40:17Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by blowero_ > **I believe that the utility of multi-story buildings in major metropolitan areas is far higher than the utility of being able to light up at the dinner table. But that may be just because I’m not addicted to nicotine.😉** Nice ad hominem. I’ve smoked a total of three cigarettes in my life (didn’t see the appeal), and a few other posters opposed to the ban have also mentioned that they’re non-smokers. You didn’t mention that the _risk_ of working on a multi-story building is far higher than the risk of working in a smoky restaurant. If you fall off the 20th floor, you will die–period. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2003, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405/123 "2003-01-07T08:55:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > **I believe that the utility of multi-story buildings in major metropolitan areas is far higher than the utility of being able to light up at the dinner table. But that may be just because I’m not addicted to nicotine.😉** > Nice ad hominem. I’ve smoked a total of three cigarettes in my life (didn’t see the appeal), and a few other posters opposed to the ban have also mentioned that they’re non-smokers. That’s not ad hominem: A. We’re talking about the utility of smoking restaurants. Since you don’t smoke, obviously I wasn’t talking about you. I’m saying that _were I_ addicted to nicotene, I might place a higher value on having smoking restaurants. I didn’t say YOU were addicted to nicotene; you just misinterpreted it that way. B. I used a winking smilie, which generally indicates that it’s a joke, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2003, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405/124 "2003-01-07T11:40:03Z")
Guess I misunderstood, then. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2003, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405/125 "2003-01-07T12:27:16Z")
Whats worse is the law in CA that banned smoking from public places was voted it by what many considered a wide margin And even though people gripe about it its "Why bother " in overturning it when people are asked Of course This is in a state where a pack of cigs will one day reach 6 dollars apack … ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2003, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405/126 "2003-01-07T12:32:42Z")
Oh and yes its enforced although many bars ignore the fact people are smoking as theres at least one place here raided once every 2 or 3 weeks and not only does the business get fined each indivisial smoker gets cited also Most owners/managers have a sign saying "althouhg we provide ashtrays its to protect our property were not responsible if you get cited ect " Fines run from 150 to 300 bucks per cite [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smoking-ban-public-places-private-clubs/146405.md?page=6)