# Snarkberry is a bigoted control freak **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 1999, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650 "1999-10-28T18:00:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/1 "1999-10-28T18:00:00Z")
Yes, I’m flaming myself. In the recent fiasco in the Great Debates thread, “Gay marriages/parenting,” I expressed strong opposition to gays getting married. However, I feel that people reading that thread, especially Polycarp, should know that I am sometimes a control freak and try to be forceful with others. It’s partly the way I was raised, has nothing to do with Mormonism, and is a reprehensible attitude that I’m working on getting rid of. I’m also somewhat bigoted against homosexuals, including myself. This stems from a sort of self-hatred for my sexual sins, not from being raised Mormon. I’ve never actually met another homosexual (that I’ve been aware of), so I tend to be intolerant of them. That said, I still believe that homosexual behavior is a sin, but I don’t think we should legislate it. I’m sorry for any damage I’ve done to anyone. Think before you post, Bill! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Thin\_Skin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@Mr\_Thin\_Skin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Thin_Skin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/2 "1999-10-28T18:13:00Z")
You know, statements like that give me faith in my fellow man. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/3 "1999-10-28T18:29:00Z")
Bill…you are not a control freak. No control freak would have the self-insight to have made that post. You are an opinionated young man. That is healthy…if you do not stand for something, then you’ll stand for anything. (Cliche, but true.) “What we most condemn in others is often what we most hate in ourselves.” Get yourself a copy of the old poem/song “Desiderata” (anybody with an on-line copy, please e-mail it to him). I’m sending along the lines to a popular song that I think is apropos. I’ll fill you in on the background for it if it touches you. Look carefully at Gaudere’s advice, if you would. I think you’re a pretty terrific person, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/4 "1999-10-28T18:49:00Z")
Bill…you are not a control freak. I agree with Polycarp, and he said everything I wanted to, and much better than I ever could have. Here’s a link to the Desiderata…I keep it on my homepage. [http://members.xoom.com/Hawk1204/hawksong/desiderata.htm](http://members.xoom.com/Hawk1204/hawksong/desiderata.htm) And I think you’re pretty terrific, dear. {{hugs}} ---
**Author:** ![jazzmine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jazzmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jazzmine)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/5 "1999-10-28T18:50:00Z")
Here you go [http://www.tc.umn.edu/~pres0049/Desiderata.html](http://www.tc.umn.edu/~pres0049/Desiderata.html) A beautiful poem…brings peace just reading it. trisha ---
**Author:** ![jazzmine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jazzmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jazzmine)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/6 "1999-10-28T18:51:00Z")
jeez Falcon…one minute…that’s all you beat me by…just one minute ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/7 "1999-10-28T20:40:00Z")
I’m confused. Snark is gay, but he condems gay behaviour and thinks homosexuality is a sin ? He is intollerant towards gay people, but is gay himself ? ## Huh ? What’s the deal… perhaps I should check out that thread and learn. Coldfire * * * “You know how complex women are” - Neil Peart, Rush (1993) ---
**Author:** ![StrTrkr777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@StrTrkr777](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StrTrkr777)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/8 "1999-10-28T20:54:00Z")
Okay, Snark, you cannot flame yourself. Moderators, can we have a rule that people cannot flame themselves? It is just not natural. Snark, I have interacted with you online for a while now. I know from your posts that you have some things that you want to deal with and that is fine. In general, I find you to be an intelligent and thoughtful young man, though maybe you get a bit hasty sometimes. You have your opinions and when you realize that you may have offended someone you appologize. I think that is more Christian behavior than the way a lot of Christians act, I do not care what ARG says. We may not agree on some areas of theology, but you are a great guy. I ain’t hugging you, but I will gladly give you a cyber-handshake. (I am not much of a hugger). ::: extending hand to shake with Snark :::: Jeffery ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/9 "1999-10-28T20:55:00Z")
Besides, flaming oneself would be self-abuse! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 1999, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/10 "1999-10-28T23:45:00Z")
Snark is a homosexual masturbator?? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/11 "1999-10-29T00:05:00Z")
::shaking hands with Jeffery:: That Desiderada is a beautiful poem and has a lot of wisdom in it. Thanks for sending it my way, folks. 🙂 Coldfire: I don’t think homosexual feelings are a sin, but I do think homosexual behavior is. But I’m no one to be condemning others. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/12 "1999-10-29T11:37:00Z")
One thing I should make clear, upon a sleepless night’s reflection: I still support the LDS leaders as prophets. I don’t want to give the impression that I’m at odds with their counsel. But members of the LDS church _are_ allowed to think for themselves (Gasp!) and form their own opinions, contrary to popular belief. Not everything is set in stone (or golden plates). ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/13 "1999-10-29T13:54:00Z")
Oh Snark,you are just so rational and lovable.I think I’ll turn myself into a man so’s I can be with you! Love (me) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/14 "1999-10-29T14:18:00Z")
Orangecakes: You don’t have to be a man to get my attention, \< g \> . But remember, this is the BBQ Pit, so say something mean next time! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/15 "1999-10-29T14:26:00Z")
Okay, bugger off! (I hope you get the joke, pun) :o ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/16 "1999-10-29T14:42:00Z")
LOL, that’s better. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 1999, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/17 "1999-10-30T05:18:00Z")
Reasonable. We established that Snark is a bit masochistic, so to properly do him up good in the Pit, we all complimented him! 🙂 “A masochist is someone who likes nothing better in the morning than a cold shower. So he takes a warm one.” ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 1999, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/18 "1999-10-30T05:38:00Z")
One question,Snark,when you flame yourself,do you have to clean the walls? 😉 * * * The poster beneath me is really smart! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 1999, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/19 "1999-10-30T05:38:00Z")
Since this is the pit, I can only point out that whenever my eyes unwillingly stumble over **Desiderata** , I can only take comfort in calling to mind: > [@](#): > > _The following poem was not found in an old Baltimore church. > (Nor was is copyrighted in 1927 by Max Ehrmann)_: > > **Deteriorata** > > (You are a fluke of the universe. > You have no right to be here. > Deteriorata, Deteriorata) > > Go placidly amidst the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in > need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself; and heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys. Know what to kiss - and > when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and > disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. > > (You are a fluke of the universe. > You have no right to be here. > Whether you can hear it or not, > The universe is laughing behind your back.) > > Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, > especially with those persons closest to you… That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the seas of most souls would scarcely get your > feet wet. Fall not in love, therefore, it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth: the birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan - and let not the sands of time > get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311, ask for Ken. Take heart in the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough > cheese. And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. > > (You are a fluke of the universe. > You have no right to be here. > Whether you can hear it or not, > The universe is laughing behind your back.) > > Therefore, make peace with your god, whatever you perceive him to be: hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal, > the world continues to deteriorate. GIVE UP! > > (You are a fluke of the universe. > You have no right to be here. > Whether you can hear it or not, > The universe is laughing behind your back.) * * * Tom~ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 1999, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650/20 "1999-10-29T21:24:00Z")
Orangecakes wrote: > [@](#): > > One question,Snark,when you flame yourself,do you have to clean the walls? No, but getting the smoke smell out of the drapes is pure hell… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snarkberry-is-a-bigoted-control-freak/2650.md?page=2)