# Sneering progressives are driving young white men into the arms of the GOP **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566 "2018-05-04T09:14:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/822 "2018-05-12T12:34:10Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Even if I concede that it’s an bullshit reason to switch from Democrat to GOP, the **perception** still exists in the minds of white voters that the Democrats are unwelcoming to whites. Without changing a single policy position on the Democratic side, **what would be the harm in trying to counteract that perception**? Denounce the movie critics, and the crazy antics of the college campus left. Why would it be bad for the next Democratic Presidential candidate to denounce this? Because to do so would be nothing more than an empty attempt in vain to make white people more comfortable, which is stupid and doesn’t accomplish shit. If white men need to feel comforted by hearing more black or latino political leaders denounce every single comment that raises eyebrows then the problem isn’t minority fragility; it’s white snowflakery. People who have an incessant need to feel comforted by black condemnations of some random left wing troll on twitter and more likely than not going to be the same people who feel even more comforted by seeing black men locked up in jail and removed from society altogether. At the heart of the perceptions you allude to is **fear** , the perception that black people and people of color represent some kind of existential threat. This point is evidenced to some degree in a subsequent post in this thread in which you allude to a white “minority” by 2045. In reality, however, “white minority” is misleading because even then, whites will still represent a very strong plurality of voters. What I sense among a lot of white conservatives - and even some “moderates” - is a fear of what will become of their America when it loses its identity as a white majority nation and culture. Race-baiting politics works because it capitalizes on these fears. People don’t want to lose status and power, and it’s surprisingly easy for the leaders of any ethnic majority group to exploit our inherent tribal tendencies. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/823 "2018-05-12T15:05:25Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No apparently, according to people who read him regularly “he’s not talking about white people, he’s talking about systems.” Yes, that’s not in conflict with what I wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/824 "2018-05-12T15:17:09Z")
Imagine wandering into a thread about economics or gerrymandering and complaining that the people who write about those complex topics use specialized words and concepts that take some work to be fluent in. And then, instead of asking to be directed to a primer or some background reading, you instead conclude that the people writing about the topics should just do the work of clueing in uninformed readers every single time they write something. That pretty much never happens. But when the topic is race, it happens every single thread. Why do you think that is? I think it is because discussing racism makes white people defensive. It is a totally understandable reaction. But it is not the fault of people like Coates. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/825 "2018-05-12T15:20:30Z")
Imagine the people who say ‘Fuck your feelings’ and mock you as ‘Snowflakes’ being the ones who consistently whine about mean old liberals sneering at them and driving them off message boards or into the hands of extremists. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/826 "2018-05-12T15:23:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Tell you what. Picture is a worth a thousand words, show me a picture of a group of cretinous black folks standing around the dangling corpse of a lynched white man. Just one. I would add the caveat “in the USA”. There are places and times in which a white minority was terrorized and lynched. Those places were never the USA. I don’t think, in this context (white privilege in the USA), that things like the Mau Mau Uprising are relevant. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/827 "2018-05-12T15:26:06Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Imagine wandering into a thread about economics or gerrymandering and complaining that the people who write about those complex topics use specialized words and concepts that take some work to be fluent in. And then, instead of asking to be directed to a primer or some background reading, you instead conclude that the people writing about the topics should just do the work of clueing in uninformed readers every single time they write something. > > That pretty much never happens. But when the topic is race, it happens every single thread. > > Why do you think that is? I think it is because discussing racism makes white people defensive. It is a totally understandable reaction. But it is not the fault of people like Coates. I don’t think this is a very fair comparison. The problem is not that someone reads Coates’s work and sees the words “snurvleglog” and “resnootability” and is frustrated because they don’t know what those words mean. The problem is because they see words like “white” and “whiteness” and make the not-unreasonable assumption that those words can be read in the obvious, normal fashion. (The fact that that reading fits into their pre-conceived expectations of what Coates might be saying obviously makes it easier.) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/828 "2018-05-12T15:39:55Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Imagine wandering into a thread about economics or gerrymandering and complaining that the people who write about those complex topics use specialized words and concepts that take some work to be fluent in. And then, instead of asking to be directed to a primer or some background reading, you instead conclude that the people writing about the topics should just do the work of clueing in uninformed readers every single time they write something. > > That pretty much never happens. But when the topic is race, it happens every single thread. It’s more than that. They are also telling the people in that thread that they shouldn’t use terms like “absolute advantage” or “cracking” as they have chosen to identify those terms as personally insulting to themselves. I don’t read Coates very often. He makes me think too much, and I don’t really have time for that. 🙂 He is provocative that way, I will fully admit and agree. But, the alternative to being provocative is to be suppressive. To not talk about the issues that are facing us and our society. I am sure that there are many who would appreciate that. I “joke” that I don’t have time to fully digest a Coates article, so I don’t usually seek him out on my own, and only read him when someone like iiandyiiii points out something particulary noteworthy, or when someone from the other side points out something that they have chosen to take personal offense to. And yeah, he does make you a bit uncomfortable, and that’s not a bad thing. Living inside your comfort zone means you will never grow, never improve, never change. He makes you think, and some people appreciate that, and others resent it. That some choose to be resentful over things that make them think in a way that may make them uncomfortable doesn’t mean that he should be categorically condemned. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/829 "2018-05-12T16:23:52Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Why do you think that is? I think it is because discussing racism makes white people defensive. It is a totally understandable reaction. But it is not the fault of people like Coates. I think it’s because folks who push the white privilege narrative are trying to redefine common words to fit an agenda whereas discussions about economics use easily defined terms. The way white privilege is used is opposite of the understood definition of those words. It’s like when a black person in the US wants to be called African American, that’s perfectly normal and understandable. If the same person who was native to Africa and lived in Africa their whole life said that, that would be strange. When folks wanted to shift from the term illegal immigrant to undocumented, etc. that made sense based on the underlying fact pattern of some folks not breaking the law. Like I said, I’m on board with the concept, but I think the messaging is terrible and my expectation is it will not catch on outside of those who already buy in, and will be counter productive for those who haven’t already. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/830 "2018-05-12T16:46:15Z")
I always think of “illegal immigrant” as someone who is here illegally. If you’re here legally, then you’re not an “illegal immigrant”. “Undocumented” makes it sound like a clerical error-- they’re just missing a few documents, and all that’s needed is to clear that up! If the vast majority of people here illegally were only breaking the law due to a clerical error, then I could see where “undocumented” would be a better descriptor. Having said that, I can see where the term shouldn’t apply to people brought here as children, since most of them had no idea they were breaking any laws. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/831 "2018-05-12T18:26:43Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I think it’s because folks who push the white privilege narrative are trying to redefine common words to fit an agenda whereas discussions about economics use easily defined terms. I don’t think that “white privilege” means something that is _at odds_ with the initial reading of those words. There are subtleties in the way it is used, but it’s hardly 180 degrees off. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/832 "2018-05-12T21:22:15Z")
Kevin Drum actually had a pretty good, fairly on-point post about this today: > [@](#): > > I’d guess that most white Republicans with racist views are just white Republicans with racist views, and this has nothing to do with anything liberals say. Still, there are certainly some Republicans who are no more racist than the rest of us but who get tired of their entire party being written off as a cesspool of racism. We liberals do tend to do that more than we probably should. Even if there’s a considerable amount of truth to it—as Ponnuru delicately acknowledges—that doesn’t make it any easier to put up with. And yes, in some of these cases it probably hardens attitudes and keeps fence-sitters from coming over to our side. […] This doesn’t seem like a very large group to me, but I’m just guessing. […]So, sure, sometimes we liberals toss around the R-word with a little too much abandon. But that’s like driving with a broken taillight compared to the serial felonies embodied by the relentless and longstanding conservative insistence that racism is barely even a noticeable problem anymore—not to mention the conservative movement’s all-but-open tolerance for racist political appeals and its endless willingness to exploit racist vote suppression as long as it can be even thinly justified as something else. (Hello, North Carolina.) Maybe if conservatives acknowledged that racism is still a serious problem and acted like they cared, lefties would feel more comfortable toning down their attacks a smidge. > > That won’t happen, but it’s not for lack of people telling them. Even nonwhite conservatives tell them. He goes on to quote several conservative (white and otherwise) commentators commenting on the issue to their own party. > **[Quote of the day: Republicans have a "nonwhite" problem](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/05/quote-of-the-day-even-republicans-admit-that-republicans-have-a-racism-problem/)** > >   ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/833 "2018-05-12T21:27:44Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I “joke” that I don’t have time to fully digest a Coates article, so I don’t usually seek him out on my own, and only read him when someone like iiandyiiii points out something particulary noteworthy, or when someone from the other side points out something that they have chosen to take personal offense to. > > And yeah, he does make you a bit uncomfortable, and that’s not a bad thing. Living inside your comfort zone means you will never grow, never improve, never change. He makes you think, and some people appreciate that, and others resent it. That some choose to be resentful over things that make them think in a way that may make them uncomfortable doesn’t mean that he should be categorically condemned. If someone wrote a piece with a flood of very specific random bad shit that individual black people have done under the label of “blackness”, would you say they “chose” to find it offensive? Would you find the discomfort it caused them somehow virtuous? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/834 "2018-05-12T21:29:40Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > If someone wrote a piece with a flood of very specific random bad shit that individual black people have done under the label of “blackness”, would you say they “chose” to find it offensive? Would you find the discomfort it caused them somehow virtuous? That has nothing to do with anything Coates has written. Based on your descriptions and comparisons, you have very little idea of the content of Coates’ writing. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/835 "2018-05-12T21:40:54Z")
[Yet another example of the racism inherent in the system](https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5af49fa3e4b032b10bf8c60c/amp) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/836 "2018-05-13T00:12:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Yet another example of the racism inherent in the system](https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5af49fa3e4b032b10bf8c60c/amp) But really, they didn’t _mean_ it. It was all just a misunderstanding. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/837 "2018-05-13T10:50:26Z")
Liberals need to find a way to communicate with white Americans. Stupid as it may seem, many of them really do feel that the Democrats are in league with minorities to take their country away from them. Has anyone linked to the [recent Wshington Post article interviewing Trump voters](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/trump-voters/?utm_term=.36e1e9a0d970) ? It focused on the upper Mississippi area where many counties that hadn’t had a majority-GOP vote since the Reagan landslide flipped to Trump. A union member who didn’t like Obama but did like Obamacare is a GOP county chairman who says people voted for Trump “to make America great again.” > [@](#): > > Although he had not seen Trump’s victory coming, he said that it hadn’t been difficult to interest people in Trump’s candidacy. “I think Trump brought out the fact that — I mean, as crude and callous as he was at times — so many people had been almost discriminated against because they were Republicans and not Democrats that we felt inferior.” Another GOP county chairman explains Trump supporters: > [@](#): > > … many of those he encountered were mad, fed up with the state of things. “This is my observation, it is not necessarily my belief,” he said as he described their motivations. “Number one, they said minority political people have been well taken care of. Small business and working people have been identified as the source of income to take care of those people.” A GOP Congresswoman … > [@](#): > > … knew that workers were losing faith in Clinton during the campaign. “You could just feel it,” she said. “You go into these labor halls and guns would always come up. I don’t care where I [would] go, it would be like the first question. . . . Where’s Hillary stand on guns?” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/838 "2018-05-13T13:01:44Z")
Lots of examples of some folks on the Left sneering at folks not in lockstep with them, (pretty much the way that some folks on the Right sneer at folks that are not in lockstep with them). So far, no actual evidence that the “sneering” is causing anyone to shift their position to the Right. (There are often cases of folks in the SDMB complaining about how the “other side” is sneering, but the ones claiming to have shifted their position due to sneering generally can be found to have held the same positions for years.) ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/839 "2018-05-13T13:01:58Z")
Some quotes from the “Why do you like Trump” thread: > [@](#): > > “Because I am a redneck who is clinically insane. I have no knowledge of anything and my pea-sized primordial brain is completely impervious to facts. Also, I hate foreigners, especially dark-skinned ones, fucking A-Rab Muslims, and Mexicans, what we didn’t have none of back when America was Great an’ we had wazzhisname that bald kraut as President, though I always done suspicioned that he was a danged Jew. And I hate the gubbermint. But I does love me my guns. I takes 'em to bed and talks to 'em real sweet like.” > [@](#): > > I think I’ve posted this before on this board, but am not sure, so here goes (possibly again). The reason the morons support Trump is “He’s not Hillary Clinton”. That’s it. There is no substance, no argument. They just could not stand the thought of a strong woman becoming president after a strong Black man managed to become president. Your OP is essentially asking for a rational explanation for an irrational action. Ain’t going to happen. > [@](#): > > It’s really very simple. > > I hate blacks. Trump hates blacks. Go, Trump! > > I hate Jews. Trump hates Jews. Go, Trump! > > I hate immigrants. Trump hates immigrants. Go, Trump! > > I hate rich people. Trump…uhm… Go, go, Trumpster! > > I’m sure you see where this is going. Voters vote their inner-conscience, and this is what their inner conscience is telling them. Rationality is not a factor. It’s because of this kind of attitude, Trump will win in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/840 "2018-05-13T13:25:16Z")
The question I have is why are all these white people—who we’ve been told are most assuredly not racist, not prejudiced, not xenophobic in the slightest—aren’t bothered enough by the racism, prejudice, and xenophobia coming from the GOP to stay away from it? Why are we talking about progressives like Coates, when he isn’t even an elected official? Has anyone in this thread identified any anti-white policies that can be attributed to Democrats? It doesn’t take much work to come up with decidedly anti-black and anti-immigrant policies from Republicans. Policies that should bother anyone who considers themselves non-racist. When you have a guy like Arpaio trying to get into the Senate—an undisputed infringer of Latino civil liberties who nevertheless was proudly pardoned by the President—you can not seriously be trying tell me that the real problem in this country are Dems (who are majority white…go ahead and count em) being too mean to white people. You can’t be seriously trying to get me to feel sympathy for all those white folks whose feelings are hurt because progressives don’t talk “right” or whatever, when GOP officials are apologists for racial profiling, the Confederacy, and Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566/841 "2018-05-13T14:44:21Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > The question I have is why are all these white people—who we’ve been told are most assuredly not racist, not prejudiced, not xenophobic in the slightest—aren’t bothered enough by the racism, prejudice, and xenophobia coming from the GOP to stay away from it? > > Why are we talking about progressives like Coates, when he isn’t even an elected official? Has anyone in this thread identified any anti-white policies that can be attributed to Democrats? It doesn’t take much work to come up with decidedly anti-black and anti-immigrant policies from Republicans. Policies that should bother anyone who considers themselves non-racist. > > When you have a guy like Arpaio trying to get into the Senate—an undisputed infringer of Latino civil liberties who nevertheless was proudly pardoned by the President—you can not seriously be trying tell me that the real problem in this country are Dems (who are majority white…go ahead and count em) being too mean to white people. You can’t be seriously trying to get me to feel sympathy for all those white folks whose feelings are hurt because progressives don’t talk “right” or whatever, when GOP officials are apologists for racial profiling, the Confederacy, and Nazis. With all due respect, if you go back and read the OP, I think you’ll see that each of the points you bring up is a straw man. There has been a lot of research lately into why people hold onto their political beliefs, and it’s pretty clear that if you attack them on an emotional level, most people will react by entrenching themselves even more deeply into those beliefs, even if there are logical reasons why they should embrace other political positions. I honestly don’t know if the issue being raised by the OP is a significant one in terms of changing electoral results. However, I’m generally sympathetic to the idea that you don’t win people over by demonizing them. It might make you feel good, but it rarely does any actual good. There are exceptions, of course, and we all have to find our own line of when a person’s position is so antithetical to the democratic process that we are morally compelled to point out the evil in their position. And the OP does address this by noting that the goal is not to pull in every conservative voter regardless of how heinous his beliefs might be, but that there is a spectrum of conservative voters out there and given how close our elections tend to be for president, it doesn’t take too much of a voter shift to change the outcome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sneering-progressives-are-driving-young-white-men-into-the-arms-of-the-gop/813566.md?page=43)