# Snl 10/23 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2004, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867 "2004-10-24T05:38:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/81 "2004-10-24T18:52:45Z")
Just some nasty video of some naked guy. At least I think that’s what it was. I only watched a half second and then closed it real fast once I realized what it was. But it was particularly jarring because I wasn’t expecting it. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/82 "2004-10-24T19:04:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > link deleted > > This version of her ‘apology’ (“my band started playing the wrong song and I didn’t know what to do”… yeah, that’s why your voice was coming in over the PA before you started singing) worked for me and the other one didn’t, so I thought I’d post it in case anyone else has the same problem. WARNING: This link has also been changed to a not safe for work video. Pash _[Link deleted. Guys, if there’s a bad link, DON’T quote it to say so. It gives us more places to delete. --Gaudere]_ ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/83 "2004-10-24T19:52:30Z")
Moderator becomes less moderate: I dunno what the hell is goin’ on here, and I don’t have time to check it out in detail. Moderators are not interested in justice, Moderators are interested in quiet. Since some of the links were wonky, and others were completely inappropriate, I have deleted 'em all. Let God sort 'em out. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/84 "2004-10-24T20:32:53Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Actually, I think it’s just a requisite Simpsons reference. In this case, from the episode where Homer became the voice of Poochie. The lady who did the voices for Itchy & Scratchy says this to Homer who asked whether or not the cartoon was broadcast live. Yup. To further clarify, the actress to whom (which?) Homer is talking explains that “very few cartoons are aired live. It puts a tremendous strain on the animators’ wrists.” ---
**Author:** ![liirogue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dbc845/32.png) [@liirogue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liirogue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/85 "2004-10-24T21:03:39Z")
So does anyone have any good links for us folks just now coming along? ---
**Author:** ![AveDementia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@AveDementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AveDementia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/86 "2004-10-24T21:26:08Z")
[http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid\_00318.wmv](http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00318.wmv) This one is legit as of this moment. Get it while it’s safe! Her little hoe-down is being called a “cotton eyed joe dance of doom.” TM someone on FameTracker. ---
**Author:** ![Soapbox\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Soapbox\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soapbox_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/87 "2004-10-24T21:29:20Z")
[http://www.ashlee.us/](http://www.ashlee.us/) ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/88 "2004-10-24T21:32:45Z")
> [@AveDementia](#): > > Her little hoe-down is being called a “cotton eyed joe dance of doom.” TM someone on FameTracker. That’s good. I’m also enjoying the use of the word “poptart” to describe “singers” in this genre. ---
**Author:** ![Mikahw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Mikahw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikahw)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/89 "2004-10-24T21:40:37Z")
Either I’m going crazy, or they didn’t show the edited version in Seattle (the Over the Air version if it matters). ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/90 "2004-10-24T21:55:22Z")
Normally I can usually work up some sympathy embarassment or pity for someone in situations like this but in her case I have none. She is just as has been stated a “manufactured star”. She has taken her popularity on a TV show and her connection to a famous singer to manufacture a supposed singing career. These kids like Ashlee and Hillary get a little fame and popularity for one thing and they have to squeeze the “fame nickel” until the buffalo poops it’s brains out and everyone is sick of them. Being a little famous isn’t enough, they have to insinuate themselves into every aspect of it as they can. TV, movies, music, fashion design, gourmet cooking … if it can be exploited, they’ll do it. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, thinking she might actually have some of the same vocal talent as her sister until I actually had occasion to hear her sing on The Tonight Show and my reaction was pretty much “what the f…?” I can sing as well as she can and _I can’t sing_. Electronic trickery does not a singer make. She is as much a professional musician as is Paris Hilton. The things that make me angry about this sort of thing is the young kids being suckered into buying these poptart’s merchandise and those people who actually can sing who don’t ever get a chance because of all the hype wasted on these manufactured singers with no talent. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/91 "2004-10-24T22:07:18Z")
That dance she did was AWSOME! LOL! I do feel sorry for her band though. This was probably the biggest moment of their musical careers playing on SNL and it got all fucked up like that. Poor guys. ---
**Author:** ![JRootabega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e7dd6/32.png) [@JRootabega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRootabega)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/92 "2004-10-24T22:16:35Z")
I don’t get it now that I saw the [ashlee.us](http://ashlee.us) video. Seems like the beginning of that song is supposed to have her singing with a taped backup of the same words. So when that legit, non-lipsynch track was accidentally played, the band pretty quickly started that song instead, instead of just stopping and starting the right song over from scratch. I’m sure more than a few people were confused at the time, and maybe Ashlee somehow indicated they should continue Pieces of Me. So, yeah, walking of stage was still bratty, but I understand how she could have been frustrated if the band rolled with the mistake and kept her from singing the right song. And the lipsynching thing is pretty tenuous once you watch the end of the video at [ashlee.us](http://ashlee.us) Don’t tell anyone. But I actually bought both of the songs on iTunes so I could be sure which song they were playing in the video. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/93 "2004-10-24T22:20:55Z")
It sounded like the bass player was trying to play what I assume is the correct song but the drummer (who probably had the lipsync feed going into his ear) kept playing along with the incorrect song that was being pumped thru his ear piece. COMEDY! ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/94 "2004-10-24T22:32:26Z")
\ > [@](#): > > I hope this does damage to the Britney scene Ironically, Britney sang (one song) live at her last SNL performance. The other had backup vocals, but her mic was on IIRC; though I don’t blame her for synching that one-- it would be difficult to do that and dance, simultaneously. \ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/95 "2004-10-25T02:36:07Z")
My apologies for whatever weirdness happened there. That link showed the same video as the other links when I watched and then posted it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Anyanka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@Anyanka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anyanka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/96 "2004-10-25T03:25:54Z")
Well, apparently it was deemed newsworthy to show up on the local news. The official reason for the lip-synching was that she was “losing her voice.” It was mildly cringe-worthy. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/97 "2004-10-25T05:00:02Z")
Back on the topic of the episode as a whole, I thought it was quite entertaining… highlights included: -The always funny Chris Matthews skits, particularly Zell Miller -The opening monologue number (Mmmm… Tina Fey dancing!) -The business with the bananas on Weekend Update. ---
**Author:** ![MaceMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@MaceMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaceMan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/98 "2004-10-25T05:42:11Z")
OK, I went to bed early and missed Ashlee’s _second_ performance, but when I saw the _first_ one, I noticed something. When she started singing “Pieces of Me” I heard two vocalists at first, and then it switched over completely to the lip-synched vocals. My immediate thought was that I was hearing Ashlee’s live singing \*along with \* a pre-recorded version at the beginning of the song. I thought that SNL made a mistake on this first song, and that only Ashlee was supposed to be hearing the pre-recorded version (in her earpiece to help her sing the song). The sound technicians then decided to play only the lip-synched version after that, silencing her live vocals. I wonder what the people in the live audience heard? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/99 "2004-10-25T06:18:34Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Then again, I guess not being able to come up with anything better than “my band started playing the wrong song” is a testament to SNL’s creative bankruptcy for the last 10 years. Huh? How is her response their fault? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867/100 "2004-10-25T06:21:46Z")
[The Associated Press story on the incident.](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_ASHLEE_SIMPSON?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) > [@An Excerpt](#): > > Her record company, Geffen Records, said there was a computer glitch. Instead of some pretaped electronic percussion, the recording of “Pieces of Me” started mistakenly performing, the record company said in a statement. > > But it sounded suspiciously like a guide vocal that’s a common - although almost always unspoken - concert aid. Either the singer “lip synchs” by mouthing words to a backing tape or has a live microphone and sings along to the tape, making the voice sound more powerful than it is. > > Such vocal tricks have been used before on the show, making “Saturday Night Live” not entirely live, said a show insider who spoke on condition of anonymity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-10-23/270867.md?page=6)