# SNL 12/11, specifically the musical guest **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419 "2004-12-12T06:28:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/61 "2004-12-13T03:46:15Z")
There’s a band called [Hayseed Dixie](http://www.hayseed-dixie.com/) that does hillbilly versions of AC/DC songs. It’s not that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/62 "2004-12-13T04:04:56Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > They changed a meditative dirge about heroin addiction into an uptempo, weightless dance number… They may have been substituting shooting heroin for smoking crank at a rave… ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/63 "2004-12-13T04:20:23Z")
Then there’s Dread Zeppelin - in which a 300 lb Elvis impersonator named TortElvis sings Zeppelin, the Who, and other classic rock to a reggae beat - and it works. Some of it’s absolutely inspired. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/64 "2004-12-13T04:26:32Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > I doubt you can watch this debacle and have any outrage left for what The Scissor Sisters have done. I just hate it because it sucks. Some parody works. Some most certainly does not. FWIW, I tend to agree about Floyd Mark 2 being a sad affair… ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lodoen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b3f665/32.png) [@Jeff\_Lodoen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lodoen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/65 "2004-12-13T05:39:25Z")
If you can’t do falsetto, don’t do falsetto. Disco doesn’t REQUIRE falsetto. Neither does glam-rock… and not constantly. ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/66 "2004-12-13T05:53:52Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > I always cut Horatio Sanz some slack. He was at least tolerable. > > Until the “Key Party” skit. > > Now, I hope they can his ass tomorrow. Awwww…c’mon that was hilarious! **CCCCCAAAARRRRR-OOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!** I laughed and laughed. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/67 "2004-12-13T06:06:59Z")
I didn’t see the SNL last night, but I’ve been listening to this album for a few weeks now. I think the cover is a blast. “Comfortably Numb” (the original) is an amazing song, with some of my favorite guitar work ever–but it is also so familiar to me that I barely even notice when I hear it anymore. This, in my opinion, is what makes it ripe for this sort of treatment. When you’ve heard a track for the eight millionth time, it’s nice to see someone have some fun with it. (See also The Cardigans’ cover of “Ironman”, or the aforementioned work of Hayseed Dixie or Dread Zeppelin.) It’s also worth noting that even if you do think of this cover as an atrocity, it doesn’t make “Numb” any less of a great song, or _The Wall_ any less of a great album, or Floyd any less of a great band. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/68 "2004-12-13T07:18:53Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I don’t understand what they were trying to do. What about the song did they like? It just seemed like they were mocking it. Thinking they were mocking the god-like Floyd makes me now want to go buy their CD. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/69 "2004-12-13T08:17:18Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > They may have been substituting shooting heroin for smoking crank at a rave… Ecstasy is the rave drug. Pink Floyd fans need to get over themselves. The apoplexy is really over the top. ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/70 "2004-12-13T09:53:21Z")
To be honest, the first time I saw scissor Sisters on TV I thought they were AWFUL. However, I now think differently…a version of Comfortably Numb I can dance to, and a song about coming out to your mother and getting her hammered at a gay bar both win big brownie points. SNL is the wrong context… 2am in a club and Comfortably Numb sounds fabulous. Breaking Europe first was obviously a smart move for these guys. ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/71 "2004-12-13T10:37:13Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > SNL is the wrong context… 2am in a club and Comfortably Numb sounds fabulous. Spot on. Get a few hundred gurning clubbers shouting, “HELLO, IS ANYBODY OUT THERE?”, and the song is in its proper dimension. The Scissor Sisters are a party band, not something to be dissected on television. Their LP is a whole lot of fun, and seen live they put on an absolutely cracking show. They’re a tight band and they have a great sense of humour, which is more than one could say for most bands out there. Plus, they’re as camp as tits, which is something of which music needs to take the edge off most musicians’ (and their fans) burgeoning sense of self-importance. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/72 "2004-12-13T11:15:14Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Ecstasy is the rave drug. Bwahaha. Ecstasy, speed, ketamine, DMT, PCP, MDA, GHB, mescaline… they’re all rave drugs, round these parts. More and more tweakers, though. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/73 "2004-12-13T12:13:21Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > That’s fine, and if you had said, “I don’t like the White Stripes”, I’d have no problem with it. What made you close-minded is when you went further and said, > Which is the very attitude you just accused me of. Because YOU don’t like the White Stripes, you assume that other people are just faking when they say they do, because it’s ‘tedious nonsense’. > > In fact, it isn’t tedious nonsense, it’s damned fine music. They are one of the most critically acclaimed bands to come along in a long time. YOU don’t have to like it, and that’s fine. There’s lots of music that I recognize is ‘good’, but which I personally don’t care to hear. But I wouldn’t dream of making sweeping conclusions about the people who’s tastes vary. Saying “I wonder if…” is obviously a little less than a sweeping judgment, and a bit of a joke. Music critics are all a bunch of tits, and I completely ignore them, because if my eyes occasionally slip across their buzzword-laden prose I immediately need a tagament. You humorless hipsters are really as tedious as the music you listen to. The White Stripes suck. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/74 "2004-12-13T12:26:46Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > You humorless hipsters are really as tedious as the music you listen to. > > The White Stripes suck. Yay, an objectivist/subjectivist music appreciation argument! How refreshing. I believe the next compulsory step is to challenge **cricetus** to name some of the bands _he_ likes. Go! And remember, if we’ve heard of more than 2/3 of them, you lose\*. - Marquess of Wells and Burchill rules, 1872, section 3 paragraph © part ii. We can use the supplementary rules for ironic appreciation of teen pop if you like. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/75 "2004-12-13T12:30:53Z")
Wilco is probably the best band around right now. Who cares if you’ve heard of them? I don’t pretend to be hep. I’m too old for that crap. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/76 "2004-12-13T12:42:56Z")
Are we in the Pit? (_looks around_ Oh, good. **Cricetus** , you jagoff, nobody appointed you the SDMB _arbiter eligantiarum_, so knock off the authoritative tone you have adopted in pronouncing certain music to be “tedious nonsense.” If it doesn’t appeal to you, fine, but to say that it cannot really appeal to anyone, and thus to claim that people who say they like Pink Floyd or the White Stripes are “really” just pretending to do so is jackassery of the lowest order. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/77 "2004-12-13T12:46:00Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Wilco is probably the best band around right now. Who cares if you’ve heard of them? I don’t pretend to be hep. I’m too old for that crap. Aww, no fun. And YHF is my favourite album of the last 4 years, too. Nadgers. I don’t really have the energy for a “you’re close-minded,” “no _you_ are,” argument either, but joking or no, you’ve got to expect some people to be pissed off when you accuse them of just liking a band to look cool. It’s the same with the interminable all-rap-sucks arguments. You don’t like the White Stripes; fine. But for someone who doesn’t pretend to be hep, you’re putting in a lot of effort to try and sound superior to all the “lemmings”. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/78 "2004-12-13T12:50:40Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Are we in the Pit? (_looks around_ Oh, good. > > **Cricetus** , you jagoff, nobody appointed you the SDMB _arbiter eligantiarum_, so knock off the authoritative tone you have adopted in pronouncing certain music to be “tedious nonsense.” If it doesn’t appeal to you, fine, but to say that it cannot really appeal to anyone, and thus to claim that people who say they like Pink Floyd or the White Stripes are “really” just pretending to do so is jackassery of the lowest order. No, The White Stripes ARE tedious, and I DO wonder how anyone can listen to them without kicking in the fucking stereo. Every song is in quotes, like, “a blues song might go like this!”, as if the whole thing is a fucking joke to them, and then they do that line over and over, and call it a song. Jesus the fuck christ, you think it’s perfectly fine to call me a jagoff and a jackass, but are also telling me how to conduct myself? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/79 "2004-12-13T12:55:22Z")
> [@Dead Badger](#): > > Aww, no fun. And YHF is my favourite album of the last 4 years, too. Nadgers. > > I don’t really have the energy for a “you’re close-minded,” “no _you_ are,” argument either, but joking or no, you’ve got to expect some people to be pissed off when you accuse them of just liking a band to look cool. It’s the same with the interminable all-rap-sucks arguments. You don’t like the White Stripes; fine. But for someone who doesn’t pretend to be hep, you’re putting in a lot of effort to try and sound superior to all the “lemmings”. I didn’t call anyone closed minded. I didn’t call anyone lemmings. I said, “I wonder if anyone really likes it?” I do still wonder. The stuff is maddeningly repetitive, and it seems to me that every song is in quotes, like, “here’s what a bluesy song might sound like, chuckle.” I barely even can get through one song before I consider violence upon the stereo. No matter what you say about fair play, I will continue to wonder, “does anyone actually want to listen to this?” I’ll think the same thing about the nursery-rhymy space-soundy Syd Barret-led Floyd, pretty much all hip hop, and Wagner. The fact is, there’s a lemming quality to any kind of fandom. Embrace your inner lemming, and be happy with it. ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419/80 "2004-12-13T13:00:57Z")
> [@Dead Badger](#): > > Go! And remember, if we’ve heard of more than 2/3 of them, you lose\*. > > - Marquess of Wells and Burchill rules, 1872, section 3 paragraph © part ii. We can use the supplementary rules for ironic appreciation of teen pop if you like. Wells and Burchill rules? Ever since the Burchill Committee started wearing ironic trucker hats to the revision meetings, they’ve just bought into the neo-post-punk paradigm and sold out. I heard they almost got Bob Wanker and His Very Important Band nominated for a Grammy! **Public Service Announcement the first** : if it’s released on a major label, a marketroid somewhere has determined that there is an audience for it who will pay to hear it, which means that whether you like it or not, it probably has some artistic merit. **Public Service Announcement the second** : that Scissor Sisters link is somewhat NSFW, as it contains a photo of a NIPPLE protruding from the end of a very lovely breast. **Public Service Announcement the third** : Even if you’re wearing the trucker hat to be ironic, you’re still wearing a trucker hat, and you still look like an ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snl-12-11-specifically-the-musical-guest/279419.md?page=5)