# Snoopy's great! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270 "2019-12-02T13:25:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![2Bits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e95f7d/32.png) [@2Bits](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2Bits)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/1 "2019-12-02T13:25:59Z")
…certainly one of the most wonderful comic strip characters ever created. But I would have enjoyed Peanuts every bit as much without him. Maybe more. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/2 "2019-12-02T14:26:48Z")
Oh no! You’d have missed “Whirly Dog”. And "ol ‘dime-a-dozen’ ". And how could you hate Freida’s cat without having Snoopy for it to play off? CB needs someone loyal to him, otherwise you’d start to hate everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/3 "2019-12-02T14:28:36Z")
Without Snoopy there would be no Woodstock. I loved that little bird. Charles Schulz admitted it was hard not having Snoopy take over the whole strip. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/4 "2019-12-02T14:35:34Z")
Snoopy is the best thing about the strip. Otherwise, it just wallows in depression. ---
**Author:** ![2Bits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e95f7d/32.png) [@2Bits](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2Bits)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/5 "2019-12-02T14:38:05Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Snoopy is the best thing about the strip. Otherwise, it just wallows in depression. You say that as if it’s a bad thing! ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/6 "2019-12-02T14:57:04Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > CB needs someone loyal to him, otherwise you’d start to hate everyone else. Is Snoopy really loyal to him? Sometimes he barely seems to acknowledge Charlie Brown’s existence. I remember a strip where Charlie Brown was going away somewhere for an extended period–probably to camp, or something. He says a big, emotional farewell to Snoopy, telling him how much he’ll miss him and all that. After he’s gone, Snoopy thinks, “Now I remember. That was the round-headed kid who brings me my food.” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/7 "2019-12-02T15:37:52Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Is Snoopy really loyal to him? Sometimes he barely seems to acknowledge Charlie Brown’s existence. > > I remember a strip where Charlie Brown was going away somewhere for an extended period–probably to camp, or something. He says a big, emotional farewell to Snoopy, telling him how much he’ll miss him and all that. > > After he’s gone, Snoopy thinks, “Now I remember. That was the round-headed kid who brings me my food.” I knew I was setting myself up! 🙂 Over the years Snoopy has been mean to Chuck, but on the whole I think he likes him. Over that long a run, characters act out of character sometimes. Snoopy does laugh along with the crowd at CB in the Christmas special, which always bugged me. (Linus is just as much at fault as CB, but the mob doesn’t turn on him.) ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/8 "2019-12-02T15:46:50Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > (Linus is just as much at fault as CB, but the mob doesn’t turn on him.) That’s cause they all know Linus has got a Bible quote just waiting to smack them down with! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/9 "2019-12-02T15:50:48Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Without Snoopy there would be no Woodstock. And CB would be hard-pressed to field a baseball team. Snoopy is his shortstop. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/10 "2019-12-02T15:59:30Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > That’s cause they all know Linus has got a Bible quote just waiting to smack them down with! “And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.” - Linus Winnfield (His security blanket says “Bad MF” on it) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/11 "2019-12-02T16:04:31Z")
> [@2Bits](#): > > But I would have enjoyed Peanuts every bit as much without him. Maybe more. Jeez, no. Then it’d just be a superior _Family Circus_ or some shit like that. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/12 "2019-12-02T16:32:55Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > That’s cause they all know Linus has got a Bible quote just waiting to smack them down with! [Francesco Marciuliano’s take on Linus’s Christmas speech.](https://mediumlarge.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/peanuts-19.jpg?w=318&zoom=2) ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/13 "2019-12-02T16:40:09Z")
If you google ‘did Snoopy ruin Peanuts’, there seem to be dozens of articles discussing that. When the strip started out, it was a bit darker and depression, existential ennui, neurotic behavior etc. were shown, filtered through the ‘little folks’ - out of the mouths of babes! Without Snoopy, whose exploits greatly expanded the strip, Peanuts wouldn’t have at all lasted as long as it did. Myself, I LOVE Snoopy. He did more or less take over the strip, but how many sad sack Charlie Brown storylines can we read without feeling down? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/14 "2019-12-02T16:43:17Z")
And yes, Snoopy does love Charlie Brown. He has actually demonstrated affection to the ol’ blockhead. [![](https://www.paleycenter.org/assets/Uploads/CB-snoopy__ResizedImageWzI2MywyMThd.png) ](https://www.paleycenter.org/assets/Uploads/CB-snoopy__ResizedImageWzI2MywyMThd.png) [https://www.clipartwiki.com/clipimg/detail/60-607117\_jpg-royalty-free-library-techflourish-collections-peanut-charlie.png](https://www.clipartwiki.com/clipimg/detail/60-607117_jpg-royalty-free-library-techflourish-collections-peanut-charlie.png) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/15 "2019-12-02T16:51:47Z")
I was going to say that you could separate it into two separate comic strips, one about Snoopy and one about everyone else. But I realized that that’s not exactly true: There’s significant interaction between Snoopy and Lucy (Eww! Dog kisses!) and Snoopy and Linus (fighting over his blanket). The better split might be the ones _focused_ on Snoopy (which includes his war fantasies, his conversations with Woodstock, the hints of his TARDIS doghouse, etc.), and the ones not focused on him (in which he acts, mostly, like a dog). Even that’s not a perfect fit, because you’ve still got the weird interactions with Peppermint Patty, who thinks of him as a “funny big-nosed kid”, but it’s closer. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/16 "2019-12-02T16:56:26Z")
On the one hand, without Snoopy there’s be no WWI Flying Ace, and I’d have missed [one of my favorite model kits](https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/ebayassets/items_images/162931269296/%24_57.JPG_5aa63eafcfd952.04815435.jpg) growing up. On the other hand, if Snoopy didn’t exist, there’s be no Joe Cool. And the world would be better. I’m glad he existed. [Owned it](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/6a/54/bb6a54727c479a12e5c3fc9156a871ca.jpg). [This, too](https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/1211/07/1970-vintage-12-snoopy-peanuts_1_83cd745bdc31b69ea5aae7e0e4dc689d.jpg). [And this.](https://dzasv7x7a867v.cloudfront.net/product_photos/43241663/scan0016_original.jpg) [But don’t offend him, Chuck!](https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1957/11/09) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/17 "2019-12-02T18:11:00Z")
I got that model for Christmas one year! It may have been the only model kit I ever finished assembling. But then as I was showing it off to my family, my aunt’s girlfriend pointed out that it wasn’t an accurate replica of a Sopwith Camel (evidently, she was a WWI buff and was speaking from some authority as an enthusiast regarding early military aircraft).\* I never owned the soap dish, but I did have [an electric toothbrush in his image.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O6fSuMxpOqg) \*Wow. The degree of detail with which that memory is imbued makes me wonder if it was a key experience in the formation of my personal behavioral traits (or maybe it just explains why I never became a model-kit hobbyist). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/18 "2019-12-02T18:13:53Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > On the other hand, if Snoopy didn’t exist, there’s be no Joe Cool. And the world would be better. C’mon; he wasn’t the most admirable Doper, but there have been far worse… ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/19 "2019-12-02T18:17:43Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I never owned the soap dish, but I did have [an electric toothbrush in his image.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O6fSuMxpOqg) I had that also! As far as Snoopy showing affection for Charlie Brown, my favorite is [this strip](https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1957/11/14). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270/20 "2019-12-02T18:28:50Z")
I had the music box of the doghouse with Snoopy on top as the WWI Flying Ace and British roundels stuck on both sides of the roof. When wound up, it played “It’s a Long Way to Tipperary.” This one: [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSzIog0Ah07CDeDFGMsdJCIo7q71TGgl5R1irl2l16KJlV8ODX-g&s) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSzIog0Ah07CDeDFGMsdJCIo7q71TGgl5R1irl2l16KJlV8ODX-g&s) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/snoopys-great/844270.md?page=2)